[Edit: turning comments off. I figure nothing good is gonna come after 450 comments.]
A young man felt spurned by women and shot people because of it. He drove up and fired a weapon out of a BMW and committed murder, leaving behind a video and a manifesto about his rage against women. He felt rejected by them. He was reportedly a follower of MRA (Men’s Rights Activism), which is a group of men who are upset because they feel they have an unequal set of rights in a few key areas, which is a lot like a rich guy who is mad at a homeless guy because the homeless guy is standing in his favorite patch of sunlight. (The term “men’s rights” is roughly analogous to the phrase “white power,” and equally creepy.) Yes, we can talk about gun rights and mental health issues because neither are properly addressed in this country. But we also need to talk about the entitlement of men and the objectification of women.
Most of the men who read this blog are, I hope and assume, not entitled piss-bags who think that they are owed affection by women, as if that’s the role of women in this life, to be willing and charitable receptacles for our urges. To be punching bags and accessories. To reiterate and sound the horn just the same: women don’t owe you anything. Whether you’re an alpha male or a wanna-be alpha, some faux bro-dude bad-ass or some repressed alley-dwelling CHUD, it matters little. I don’t care who you are; your maleness does not entitle you to anything.
You may have been told otherwise.
Culture wants us to think that. That being a guy comes with a rider like we’re Van Halen demanding a fucking bowl full of green M&Ms or some shit, but I’m here to tell you, that isn’t true. It’s a myth. You’re entitled to nothing, and yet, ironically, you’re born with this pesky thing called privilege. And sure, someone out there is already mad I’ve invoked that word, that being a dude is hard on its own and privilege is an illusion and blah blah blah something about divorced men and prostate cancer, but just remember that the men go on dates thinking they won’t get laid, and women go on dates thinking they might get raped, punched, maybe killed. Remember that as a man you can say all kinds of shit and add “lol” at the end of it and nobody gives a shit, but as a woman anything you say might be interpreted as antagonistic and end up with rape threats or death threats. Remember that any seemingly safe space — train station, bookstore, social media, city park — is an opportunity for a man to catch a train or read a book, but is also an opportunity for a woman to be the subject of threat or sexual violence.
Remember that men get paid more, get to do more, get to be more.
I understand that as a man your initial response to women talking about misogyny, sexism, rape culture and sexual violence is to wave your hands in the air like a drowning man and cry, “Not all men! Not all men!” as if to signal yourself as someone who is not an entitled, presumptive fuck-whistle, but please believe me that interjecting yourself in that way confirms that you are. Because forcing yourself into safe spaces and unwelcome conversations makes you exactly that.
Instead of telling women that it’s not all men, show them.
Show them by listening and supporting.
Show them by cleaning the dogshit out of your ears and listening to their stories — and recognize that while no, it’s not “all men,” it’s still “way too many men.” Consider actually reading the #YesAllWomen hashtag on Twitter not to look for places to interject and defend your fellow men, but as a place to gain insight and understanding into the experiences women have. That hashtag should serve as confirmation that women very often experience the spectrum of sexism and rape culture from an all-too-early age. Recognize that just because “not all men” are gun-toting, women-hating assholes fails to diminish the fact that sexism and rape culture remain firmly entrenched and institutional within our culture.
Because if your response to the shooting is to defend men (or worse, condemn women) instead of speaking out against this type of violence and attitude, then you best check yourself.
This isn’t the time to talk about nice guys. Or friend zoning. Or men’s rights. Or rejection.
This isn’t the time to ride up as standard-bearers for the realm of menfolk.
You have privilege, so use it. You’re not a white knight, but if other men try to objectify women or talk down to them — step up or walk away. If you have a son, teach him about consent and drive home the point that the 100% of the fault in a rape case is on the rapist, not the victim. Help other men — you, your children, your friends — reach a place of empathy.
This isn’t about you. Don’t derail. Don’t pull that mansplaining bullshit.
Shut your mouth and don’t speak over them.
Open your ears and listen.
Open your eyes and see.
Thus endeth the lesson, gents.
Pavowski says:
I was writing a scene in my novel a few weeks ago in which I got inside the head of a woman deciding whether to go on a date, and suddenly she (I) was processing all sorts of thoughts about whether the man in question was trustworthy, whether she might end up raped or murdered; basically the things you describe. I found it funny (not ha-ha funny but “oh, so that’s the way that works” funny) because it’s a perspective I just don’t consider very often, if at all.
As usual you address this sticky issue with a delightful mixture of well-turned derision and simple common sense.
May 25, 2014 — 8:36 AM
tericonnolly says:
Thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 8:39 AM
mermaidmaddie says:
Thank you. Just…thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 8:40 AM
Honey Apostos says:
Thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 8:41 AM
secretsofsuccessfulwomen says:
Thank you
May 25, 2014 — 8:44 AM
marylholden says:
Awoman.
May 25, 2014 — 8:46 AM
marylholden says:
I mean, awomEn.
May 25, 2014 — 8:46 AM
Magen Cubed says:
Well put and so very true. A thousand times a day I’ve been told “not all men do this” by a chorus of self-applauding assbags for having a problem with being threatened or harassed, as if that qualifier changes anything. Yeah, great, buddy, I get that. I get that YOU didn’t try to grope me on the train, or follow me to my car in the middle of the night, or harass me at my job, or chase me through a store like an animal when I didn’t give you my number until I stood in the middle of the aisle and screamed, but SOMEONE did. A lot of men did, and I have every right to be upset about that. If YOU’RE not, you need to look in the mirror and figure out why.
May 25, 2014 — 8:51 AM
A Citizen of the World says:
Thank you, Chuck. Thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 9:12 AM
Wm Billiter says:
Right on, Chuck… as father of two young adult daughters (and husband to an amazing woman for nearly 30 years and going strong), I not only concur with your insightful missive, but applaud it (and you)… THANKS for being one of the good guys…
May 25, 2014 — 9:19 AM
Samantha Warren says:
Chuck, you rock. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
May 25, 2014 — 9:19 AM
Tony Walker says:
Good post. Right with you on this.
May 25, 2014 — 9:22 AM
How to Philosophize with Cake says:
I’m joining the thank-you train too. Just keep on keepin’ on.
May 25, 2014 — 9:25 AM
Alex Garza says:
Thank you, Chuck.
May 25, 2014 — 9:26 AM
Linda C Jaeger says:
“Because if your response to the shooting is to defend men (or worse, condemn women) instead of speaking out against this type of violence and attitude, then you best check yourself.”
Yes. I read Twitter before I got up today. Talk about a difficult start. It was full of men explaining either that this man was an outlier and therefore had nothing to do with the rest of society or that these things are inevitable when women won’t have sex with men just to be nice. If either is your first reaction to a story like this, you should be worried.
“Instead of telling women that it’s not all men, show them.” Indeed.
Great lesson, Chuck.
May 25, 2014 — 9:30 AM
Heather H. says:
Awesome, Chuck. Thanks for reminding me that there are not only some, but a lot of men out there who DO “get it.” It’s easy to stick guys as a whole into the “you’re an assbag” bucket, and leave it there. Thanks for being the voice of all the wonderful guys out there who aren’t assbags.
May 25, 2014 — 9:40 AM
Wendy L Curtis says:
<3
May 25, 2014 — 9:41 AM
Astrid Kahler says:
On behalf of my daughters, and my son: Well (and fun) put. Thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 9:42 AM
tracikenworth says:
Wonderful!! Thank you!!
May 25, 2014 — 9:42 AM
Gionni says:
I am 70 years old.
I have fours sisters, and no brothers,
I have three daughters, and no sons. My daughters are all now adults: strong, intelligent, assertive women who (like their mother) are utterly loved and admired, and successful in their chosen careers and family lives.
I don’t pretend to be perfect, and don’t have a solution to misogyny, sexual harassment or rape.
I do know that when my oldest daughter became a teenager, I started to think about issues regarding women young and old, and in particular about sexual assault and harassment (in school, workplaces, and society in general).
I started to think about my actions. Had my actions in the past or present made a woman less comfortable, or feel less safe? My internal solution? If I wondered whether or not an action was appropriate, I reversed in my mind the gender of the other person. It’s only a simplistic test for myself: would I have have done the same things, said the same things, thought the same things if the other person was a man?
If I would have acted/thought/said things differently for a man rather than a woman, then the act/thought/speech probably was at the least sexist, and almost certainly would have been been at the very least unwelcome, and quite probably harassment or worse. If so, it was time to change what I said/thought/did.
I try to live via this philosophy – and have been rewarded by having many female buddies – but it takes introspection and internal and eternal vigilance. But at the same time as we males need to be aware of ourselves and control what we do and say. We also need to intervene when we observe situations and hear words that can hurt, offend or assault women,
May 25, 2014 — 9:44 AM
janinmi says:
If only every boy was taught what you learned and practiced it throughout his life.
May 26, 2014 — 1:39 PM
Paul Weimer says:
Show, don’t tell.
It works for this, too. Yeah. Thanks, Chuck.
May 25, 2014 — 9:44 AM
smithster says:
funny how similar the ‘mansplaining’ going on in response to this (and yes I saw some of it on social media) sounds just like the cries of “But not all gun owners are bad!” that you heard given as a reason to do nothing to change the way things are after whatever the latest school shooting was. Terrible, but lets not change anything because it’s working just fine for the rest of us…
Um. Yeah. About that.
May 25, 2014 — 9:46 AM
MJ says:
Thank you isn’t enough, but it’s all I have. As a woman who has had those concerns, who has had places she trusted as safe, welcoming spaces, made into no-longer-safe-welcoming-spaces, by aggressive men–thank you.I have reclaimed my space, but it is not the same. Thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 9:47 AM
Sarah_Madison says:
I read your blog because I’m a writer and you have brilliant things to say about the craft. Today, I realized that you are simply a brilliant human being. Simply. Effing. Brilliant.
May 25, 2014 — 9:51 AM
Linda Rodriguez says:
Thank you, Chuck.
May 25, 2014 — 9:55 AM
Jenn says:
Thank you. Tumbled, Tweeted, Shared & Pinned…..
May 25, 2014 — 9:59 AM
Rhonda Jackson Joseph says:
What Sarah_Madison said. I appreciate your willingness to address these things. You get it and you’re brilliant enough to understand you’re in the perfect position to live it.
May 25, 2014 — 10:04 AM
Beth Treadway says:
Thank you!
May 25, 2014 — 10:15 AM
Kay Camden says:
I wonder if you’ll get any rape threats from this post…
May 25, 2014 — 10:21 AM
terribleminds says:
Another privilege of being a dude: nope. Most I’ll experience is lost subscribers and readers (lost ~10 already), and that’s entirely insignificant in comparison. (Moreover, if I lost those readers, they probably weren’t going to like all the stuff I say and write anyway.)
May 25, 2014 — 10:26 AM
Wanderlust says:
Lost 10, gained 1000.
May 26, 2014 — 2:49 PM
capitola54 says:
One more thank you. Big time.
May 25, 2014 — 10:21 AM
Amanda R. Howland says:
Thanks for writing this. You explained the situation well, addressing all its insidious subtleties and somehow maintaining your characteristic lightheartedness. Thanks again.
May 25, 2014 — 10:23 AM
Molly Dugger Brennan says:
Well, someone is definitely out of vacation mode. With this piece, I think you’ve officially earned your “decent guy” badge. I’m pleased that you’re raising a son. Keep your bullhorn set to full volume. It is helping. Even if it’s just to let everyone one of us that ever felt endangered on a date or worse know that there are still good men in the world.
May 25, 2014 — 10:26 AM
jenaleighbooks says:
Thank you, Chuck.
May 25, 2014 — 10:27 AM
belindamcbride says:
Often, we think its the men who don’t get it. Tragically, I think women often don’t get it either, and will stick up for men’s right to be asshats. I remember (pre-Anita Hill) when I got kicked out of an art class for refusing to date the professor. When I complained, another student (a woman) said, “Well, he’s an artist.”
Far too many women perpetuate the culture as well.
Thank you for the insightful post.
May 25, 2014 — 10:29 AM
Montiese says:
This is just what I needed to read this morning. Spot on Chuck, absolutely spot on.
May 25, 2014 — 10:35 AM
Mark says:
The people representing this issue seemingly have zero tact. Telling someone to shut up and listen or DEMANDING that they are part of the problem is not the way to win anyone over who is not already won over.
And if you insist it’s not about winning anyone over then lol
May 25, 2014 — 10:37 AM
terribleminds says:
This isn’t about winning anybody over. This isn’t a game of charisma. It’s not glad-handing or back-patting.
It’s about doing the right thing and knowing what puts you on the side of light or the side of toxic assholery.
May 25, 2014 — 10:42 AM
Mark says:
Don’t you think the message it is more effective if more people share your opinion on what the right thing is?
I don’t disagree with most of what is being said. What I am saying is, telling people to “shut your mouth” is not going to change anyone who doesn’t already have the insight to understand. At that point, you are just sharing your opinions with your friends for nothing more than pats on the back. If this is actually what you are trying to achieve, then I misunderstand the issue and I retract my comment, sincerely. It’s hard to make that sound sincere.
May 25, 2014 — 11:02 AM
Laura W. says:
You know what? Some people need to shut their mouths for a second and realize that they don’t know everything. You can’t listen if you’re always trying to interject and qualify and force YOUR OWN dogma into a conversation, instead of listening and supporting and THEN voicing support or informed comments. So yes, in order for there to be a conversation, people have to take turns listening and speaking, which means that some people need to shut their mouths, count to ten, listen to the other person, and then shut their mouths for another ten count and THINK before responding. I think you are interpreting “shut your mouth” as an antagonistic comment when it’s really about telling people to be quiet and think before they speak, or when they speak and to whom. It’s not about silencing anyone; it’s about telling people that in order for there to be reasoned discourse about a serious issue, there needs to be listening as well as talking and right now, one side is dominating the conversation. It’s just delivered with Chuck’s typical sardonic tone. And in the age of the Internet, when anyone can spew forth whatever they want into forums, social media, etc., it’s even more important to encourage people to shut up for a damn minute and listen to each other. There’s such an urge to be heard on the vast information cesspool that is the Internet that the instinctive response is to shout as loudly as possible to be heard over everyone else. This doesn’t exactly encourage anything productive. What we need to do is learn when to talk and when to listen and yes, that starts with shutting the hell up sometimes.
May 25, 2014 — 11:14 AM
Mark says:
If people did what they needed to, instead of what they are biologically or socially conditioned to do, I don’t think we would have a violence against women issue to even be discussing.
The ugly truth is that people are not perfectly understanding and rarely willing to hear opposing opinions. Caustic, polarizing language is not the way to get someone to listen. The urge to be heard should be used to get people to listen. Providing an ultimatum is a good way to get people to ignore the issue altogether.
May 25, 2014 — 11:24 AM
terribleminds says:
Are you suggesting that men are biologically conditioned to be violent against women?
May 25, 2014 — 11:28 AM
Mark says:
Are you suggesting you KNOW that they aren’t?
May 25, 2014 — 11:35 AM
Mark says:
Look, I’m not trying to make any argument for or against the issue. I’m looking for an outlet to let people who have a voice in the movement know that using “a poisonous approach to pleading its case” is a bad way to get people to understand, and that is what you want. No?
It makes no difference whether violence against women is a biological or social condition(that’s why I said both), It NEEDS to stop. And my opinion is that you can get it to stop long before science confirms that it’s one or the other.
May 25, 2014 — 11:40 AM
mythago says:
Actually, Mark you have it backwards; the people who are going to stomp off in a huff by being told ‘stop making it all about you, and listen’ are the ones who were never going to listen in the first place. They simply don’t want to hear that there is a problem, because it makes them uncomfortable.
I’ve heard from plenty of men who re-thought things and took women’s concerns about violence seriously even though it wasn’t couched in nicey-nice language and larded over with thick layers of Not All Men assurance. That’s because those dudes cared enough about women to listen, and to think about other people’s points of view.
May 26, 2014 — 12:09 AM
Jane says:
And it’s darling that you think you’re the first person to tell marginalized people that they’ll get more people on their side if they’re just nice. You are far from it. We know, dude, and we’re done caring.
May 26, 2014 — 12:33 AM
welltemperedwriter says:
What you are seeing here is what happens when politely asking people to listen fails to work.
May 25, 2014 — 5:27 PM
A Citizen of the World says:
Amen to that.
May 25, 2014 — 8:04 PM
mythago says:
Seriously, it’s like a vaudeville routine at this point.
Ask nicely and politely? Sorry, didn’t hear you, honey, you need to be more assertive. (Repeat: endlessly.)
Ask more assertively? God, what a bitch! I’d have listened to you if only you’d asked nicely.
May 26, 2014 — 2:39 PM
Jane says:
I don’t speak for all women, but I, for one, am tired. We talk rationally and reasonably and we’re brainwashed by feminism. We talk a little louder and we’re hysterical and unreasonable. So we yell and then we’re stupid, man hating cunts. So this is me, in a calm and even tone of voice telling you, sir, and those like you, to go fuck yourself. If angry people who are sick and tired of being ignored refusing to kiss your ass is enough to make you take your ball and go home, then don’t let the door hit you where the Lord split you on the way out. If you can’t read the reams and reams of paper taken up by rational arguments on the subject and be convinced, then you will not be convinced and it’s not my job or my concern to be nice to you just to get you on my side.
And since you’re here, demanding nice in the face of something like this, you are a prime candidate for shut up and listen. Go read Bell Hooks.
May 26, 2014 — 12:30 AM
Meg Preuss says:
Thanks Chuck.
I agree with what you have said, especially “Instead of telling women that it’s not all men, show them.”
But unfortunately in my experience, even the men who claim “it’s not all men”, all subconsciously do/say misogynistic or sexist things without realising it.
I have male co-workers, who would never abuse/threated/etc. a women, who comment on the way I dress at work without realising that it’s technically sexual harassment. My last boyfriend pretty much treated me like I was his personal sex doll, to which I somewhat let him get away with it due to what we as women have been told to do by society and the media.
I know our society is to blame for this. Especially since I live in South Africa where our president himself has been up on rape charges and has gotten away with it (a GREAT role model for the youth).
I have spent the morning reading the #YesAllWomen comments, including comments where men are praising Elliot Rodger for what he did and it sickens me. What a fucked up world we are bringing our children into.
May 25, 2014 — 10:39 AM
Suebob says:
Thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 10:41 AM
Otis says:
I spent a lot of time thinking MRA guys were relatively harmless trolls that didn’t deserve our attention. Yesterday’s shooting, the subsequent revelations, and this important piece of writing from you have been enlightening in a way I didn’t expect. As a father of two sons, thanks for helping me pay better attention.
May 25, 2014 — 10:43 AM
terribleminds says:
I’ve had folks tell me that MRA started as — well, if not a noble thing, at least a thing coming from an honest place. Whatever it was then isn’t what it is now. It’s an ugly movement with a ridiculous name and a poisonous approach to pleading its case.
May 25, 2014 — 10:44 AM
Shaena Dean (@ShaenaDean) says:
Thank-you
May 25, 2014 — 10:44 AM
Whimsy and Nonsense says:
Well said as usual! It can be downright scary being a woman. You never know if the weird guy in the grocery line acting shifty and asking you weird questions about what’s on sale in your grocery cart (happened yesterday) is just some awkward guy with really bad pick up lines or if he’s going to be waiting for you outside to follow you to your car. I have been victimized by men in huge and tiny ways, and plenty of times they have no clue. Other times they know exactly what they’re doing. 100% of those times it would never happen to them.
Before someone accuses me of being paranoid about the shifty guy, I will explain why I’m paranoid. It’s because one time the weird guy did follow me, late at night in a parking lot. He blocked my car in with his car and told me to get into his car now. He didn’t realize I may be short, but I’m not someone to fuck with. I ran at him screaming with my fists raised and saved myself from being murdered, trafficked raped, whatever. In 2nd grade on the way to school a man tried to force me into his van and I ran away to the nearest neighbor’s house, saving myself from murder, rape and whatever else he planned. Then there was the time some guy I thought was my friend offered me a ride. I had no car then. But instead of taking me where I needed to go, he took a detour into the hills, pretending like he wanted to show me something. I liked the guy, and thought we were having fun. Until he pulled a gun out of his glove compartment and demanded I have sex with him in his car. I refused. I didn’t believe he was going to shoot me. Eventually he put the gun away and drove me down the hill. He even dropped me off at my destination. I guess I had angels watching over me because my refusal could have gotten me shot. I figured I’d rather be shot than allow myself to be raped.
I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point. Men just don’t have to worry about this stuff. Men do not have to be afraid that if they go on a date, they might not make it out alive. If women don’t worry about it, they should think about it and be careful.
May 25, 2014 — 10:48 AM
T. Jane Berry says:
Thanks for this, Chuck. I used to consider myself a typical woman, not marred by gender-based violence. And then, I read though the #YesAllWomen tag, which scrolls so fast that you can barely keep up, and I immediately found fifteen experiences that had happened to me. So, I guess, I am a typical woman.
May 25, 2014 — 10:49 AM
Terrie says:
I really appreciate the clarity here. Thank you.
May 25, 2014 — 10:55 AM
Raeyn says:
Very well put, thank you. This whole thing has pushed me past the point of rage and into sheer exhaustion, heh, though that’s also because I’m having to swot people writing it off as mental illness. Speaking as someone with a serious mental illness who is completely open about said illness, I’ve never plotted to kill anyone for not getting my way, and funnily enough, 100% of my mentally ill friends can probably say the same (give or take a percent; know knows what truly lurks in the hearts of men and women, etc).
But really, you’ve hit the core of the issue and the most important part. It’s certainly what I want people to take home and consider.
May 25, 2014 — 10:57 AM
Jim Bartlett says:
That terrible, terrible, terrible thing happened right here in my little safe haven of a town, what normally seems a peaceful and beautiful little slice of beach heaven. Not even two miles from my front door. Neither my wife or I can talk about it without the threat of tears, even though we knew not one of the victims. So thanks for saying the words that will not, can not, form on our mouths.
May 25, 2014 — 11:07 AM
Bill says:
I completely agree with you on this. When ever the women I work with start complaining about men they know or that are in their life, I never say not all men are like that. I tell them the truth. “Don’t trust us. Men are pigs.” And I have never, NEVER, understood why a woman stays in a relationship in which the man treats her like shit. I think it sad that they have so little self worth that they think they can not have a better life or, worse yet, that they deserve it. No woman–no person–deserves to be verbally, mentally, or physically abused to maintain a relationship.
And for a man to think that his role is to be the dominating force in their relationship is utter stupidity and arrogance.
May 25, 2014 — 11:12 AM
Laura W. says:
Hi there, I’m sure you didn’t mean to blame the victims and I certainly don’t mean to make excuses for abusive relationships, but some women are not able financially to leave a bad relationship, and aren’t aware of resources available to women attempting to leave. Furthermore, if someone is an abusive partner, the one who’s the victim doesn’t know just how crazy s/he is UNTIL s/he attempts to leave. Leaving itself can be extremely dangerous for someone in an abusive relationship, especially if they have no support system, finances, friends, or family who will help them (and the abuser often keeps them isolated so that they have no such help; they’re totally dependent on the abuser). The most dangerous time for someone who attempts to leave an abusive relationship is when they are going back to get their stuff. If they don’t go back with police or friends or some other person to protect them, they can end up beaten and/or killed. I don’t know if you heard about the Alexander case, but she “stood her ground” against her abusive husband when attempting to leave him, having been beaten and threatened with death by him — and got 20 fucking years in prison for firing a firearm, nonlethally, while her husband got off free. So hopefully that gives you some reasons why women can’t “just leave” or why they stay in bad relationships. It’s risky and dangerous, and people who are most at-risk for these things get the least help.
May 25, 2014 — 11:24 AM
Bill says:
You are right, Laura, I did not intend to blame the victim. Thankfully (I think) my experiences with such situations is very limited. I do realize that it not always simply a case of leaving, and that sometimes it is dangerous for the woman (and yes, sometimes men) to leave a violent partner, and our laws are no where near what they should be to protect instead of seeking justice.
The only incident that I ever witnessed was as a young teenager, and i actually called the police to help the woman as she stumbled up the street late at night, doubled over and crying out in pain. When the police located her (not easy because she had passed out in the shadows of some trees) I was there when they revived her and what struck me then, and still haunts me now, is as a couple of the cops went to go down to their house, she said “don’t hurt him, he’s drunk. It’s his birthday”. This was after she had proclaimed that she thought she was losing her baby. One cop turned to me and said “ain’t love grand”.
That moment has stuck with me for over 30 years, and it still saddens me to think of it. A couple of days later, I saw the girl and her boyfriend together, happy as good be.
It’s something that I just can’t understand, which is a good thing.
May 26, 2014 — 8:55 PM
Kathleen S. Allen (@kathleea) says:
Yes. Thank you. You are one of the good guys.
May 25, 2014 — 11:19 AM
Aaron Gudmunson says:
Hell yeah, Chuck.
May 25, 2014 — 11:20 AM
suebrownstories says:
Thank you, Chuck.
Whenever I see “But what about….” I know the message has been missed.
May 25, 2014 — 11:26 AM