This started on Twitter because I was saying that the Sundance Screenwriting Lab was really very formative for me as a writer. Basically, prior to the Sundance Festival, you end up in the mountains for five days studying with mentors who help you pick apart your work in a variety of ways. It’s a very narrow focus, in what was for me the best way possible. You mostly work to dissect your own script, and you also get the benefit of hanging out with peers and professionals and share meals and watch movies and have roundtable talk sessions about, well, all kinds of things. Plus the pros do presentations and — well, it was really great. The isolation, the focus on the script rather than writing new material, the aversion to business with a strong leaning toward craft and story. Precious in the best way possible.
I think it would be super amazing to do something like this for novelists.
Now, this exists, to some degree, already.
Taos Toolbox, Viable Paradise, Clarion, Odyssey, etc.
I did not attend any of those, though my understanding is:
a) you pay for them?
b) they focus in part on workshopping/critiquing one another?
c) they focus a little bit on writing new material?
d) the programs run about two weeks?
My understanding of those may be incorrect, so feel free to correct me. Further, this idea of mine is in no way meant to speak ill of those programs — those who have done those programs have spoken incredibly well of them.
Here’s how my own pie-in-the-sky “novel lab” would work:
1) It has to be free to both mentors and program attendees. Sundance has an application fee, and that’s as far as it goes. Being a writer in particular is not generally a career where you ROLL AROUND IN A ROOM FULL OF MONEY, and so I think it’s vital to start off with zero cost for the lab. That definitely means room, board, food. Not sure about travel — ideally that, too, would be free. Note, I have no way to pay for this because ha ha ha I’m pretty much just winging this idea right here, right now. But I expect some combination of crowdfunding (KS + Patreon), donations, and sponsorship from publishers or writing software companies or, I dunno, whiskey distillers. SHUT UP IT MAKES SENSE. But really, taking the burden of cost away ideally helps obviate some of the privilege intrinsic any time money enters the equation.
2) Can’t be two weeks. Two weeks is a long time. I think a week or less is just right.
3) Gotta be somewhat isolated. Like, not MURDERSHACK isolated, but — an island. Or the mountains. Or a secret moonbase. Or we can all cram in my battleshed and fight for dominance.
4) No workshopping between participants. I mean, if you want to, fine, and everybody can read everyone else’s work, but this would very explicitly be about deep dissection of your completed manuscript draft with a series of chosen mentors in 1-on-1 story sessions. It is about having a completed work submitted and then that work gets broken apart in the hands of mentors, and you and those mentors (say, three to five of them per book) give you their take and you hash it out with them. Vital not to have just one mentor, but several. Creative agitation is king. (Note that I have no problem with workshops or critique groups, but personally I have never found them fruitful and I think there’s really no guarantee that just because your peer can write means they also know how to critique or edit. The mentors selected would be capable in this regard, though.)
5) No writing new material. Again, you can write new material on your own time, but the focus would very overtly be about breaking apart existing material and thinking about what you already have, not about what you want to write in the future.
6) Very minimal overall focus on the business side of things. (So minimal, might as well be zero.) Not that writers don’t need advice on publishing — they do! But if this is a shorter workshop, then focusing it on the story is key.
7) Pros would have talks or presentations.
8) Might also be worth having a book club component — one book that everyone reads and dissects during the lab. Again, just to keep everyone thinking about story as a larger thing.
9) Sundance has, I think, a limit of 12 projects and that feels like the upper end here, too. I might even say 10? So, you get ten unpublished novitiate authors and roughly the same number of mentors present — mentors being published, proven authors across a variety of genres? I’m admittedly viewing this as a genre thing. Probably SFF, though there could be an argument made for incorporating mystery or thriller novels, too. The ten novitiate authors selected would not be selected by one person but by the mentors themselves, I think, and inclusion would be a priority. Diversity in genre, too, has value, so not just ten epic fantasy novels or some such — a really interesting cross-section of SFF would be ideal, with a YA component, too.
10) I do wonder if there’s value in having presentations from editors and agents, too, at this thing — though there, that’s the business side creeping in, so maybe not? Hm.
11) Minimal down-time. Fairly intense. Creative compression.
12) Must be a safe space in all ways.
So, that’s the gist of it. A lot unconsidered and again, this is all very rosy-cheeked perfect-world nonsense that will likely never come to fruition. But if I ever did set up a “novel-writing lab,” it would look a whole lot like this Sundance model. I might call it, “Storybridge…”
*dreams*
*is eaten by a Grue*
Jenn Lyons says:
This sounds lovely. I would love to do some of those retreats but time and money are both serious considerations. (I hear Clarion is five weeks? Is this true? FIVE WEEKS. No…can’t do that. Sorry.)
A week though? That’s at least possible.
February 3, 2016 — 3:06 PM
Marshall Ryan Maresca says:
Actually, I think it’s six weeks.
February 3, 2016 — 3:21 PM
bsheawrites says:
Clarion is six weeks…. Scholarships can help with the tuition, but not a lot of people can take a month and a half off of work. More shorter workshops would definitely be valuable!
February 3, 2016 — 3:38 PM
Catastrophe Jones says:
Why can I only like this once?
February 3, 2016 — 3:07 PM
Allison says:
Yes, please!
February 3, 2016 — 3:07 PM
kirabutler says:
Shut up and take my money.
February 3, 2016 — 3:07 PM
terribleminds says:
NO THAT’S THE POINT NO ONE WOULD TAKE YOUR MONEY
*shoves money back at you*
February 3, 2016 — 3:08 PM
kirabutler says:
The serious: Have you seen the Stanley Horror Writers retreat? They kickstart it every year and it seems to gather a nice chunk of writers together. Doesn’t follow the dream format you’re proposing, but super interesting in concept/location.
February 3, 2016 — 3:13 PM
terribleminds says:
I have — they’ve invited me to take part, and we’re in talks to figure out if that’s a thing that works with my schedule or not!
February 3, 2016 — 3:17 PM
linda sands says:
If you did do this- story lab thing- I could offer the use of a four bedroom house on the gulf coast of Florida. Writers retreats similar to what you’re hashing out have been held here. But without the cool Chuck factor.
February 3, 2016 — 3:08 PM
SolidJim (@solidjim) says:
Sounds like a humdinger of a time to me.
February 3, 2016 — 3:08 PM
Jennie Ivins says:
So much yes. If you ever turn this into an actual thing, I would love to be a part of it in some way shape or form.
February 3, 2016 — 3:11 PM
Michael R. Underwood says:
I really like this structure – especially the 1:1 or close ratio of attendees to mentors, and the plurality of perspectives it would provide for the attendees. There are many workshops, but it’s hard to complain about the possibility of more good workshops, especially ones focusing on inclusivity and benefiting marginalized creators.
February 3, 2016 — 3:11 PM
terribleminds says:
Right — giving that broad-reach perspective across genre, story, and people could be meaningful? I’d hope?
February 3, 2016 — 3:15 PM
Marshall Ryan Maresca says:
I like it, but the money part is definitely a big hurdle. Are the mentor compensated beyond room-board-travel? I ask authors to volunteer for ArmadilloCon Writers Workshop, but that’s just one day and attached to a con that they were attending anyway. I’d love to make a longer format version of that, but it’d be a challenge to get quality instruction without compensation.
February 3, 2016 — 3:59 PM
Harry-le-beau says:
Yes, I agree. The mentors must be paid. They are bringing years of professional expertise to this, and in no other profession would they be expected to work for free.
February 3, 2016 — 4:38 PM
terribleminds says:
Mentors, at least initially, would not likely be compensated. Though they would get the benefit of being in a beautiful place for five days for free, with room and board covered and the chance to do some retreat time themselves with the other mentors.
February 4, 2016 — 7:31 AM
Marshall Ryan Maresca says:
That definitely can be enticement enough. It would be for me, certainly.
Maybe some of it could be funded by setting it up as a non-profit, and applying for grants/endowments?
February 4, 2016 — 9:31 AM
terribleminds says:
That would probably be key to it.
Though I’ve no idea how to do that.
*waves hands*
MAGIC PROBABLY RIGHT?
February 4, 2016 — 9:47 AM
Marshall Ryan Maresca says:
When I was a theatre producer I was god-awful terrible at that part of things. (Which is a kind of key component to why I no longer do it.) Though I know a few people who were REALLY good at that sort of thing who might have some pointers. Want me to connect you? Or is this still far too hypothetical at this stage?
February 4, 2016 — 1:27 PM
Marshall Ryan Maresca says:
Another thought along those lines– most of the organizations that put on the fan-run conventions are non-profits, and usually under the theory that their organization has an educational aspect (thus why many of those cons have a writers workshop). One of them might be able to be able to “umbrella” the project under their non-profit status.
February 4, 2016 — 1:43 PM
EN-2187 (@MmeLibertine) says:
I would apply every single time this came around. Such an excellent idea.
February 3, 2016 — 3:12 PM
Jane says:
I really like this idea. There is no such thing as too many workshops. Each has its own flavor and there are plenty of worthy writers excluded by logistical or financial bottlenecks of paid workshops.
Suggestion for a remote, but not murderey, venue:
Grand Isle Lake House
http://www.grandislelakehouse.com
I attended a retreat there a few years ago and it was a great space, right on the lake. They have conference areas, lodging, and the fees are reasonable.
$275/day facility fee for nonprofits and $45pp double occupancy rooms
Sadly, I live 3,000-miles away from there now.
February 3, 2016 — 3:12 PM
Michael J. Martinez says:
Wow. That right there is kind of perfect.
February 3, 2016 — 3:37 PM
Heather Rose Walters says:
SO MUCH YES. PLEEEEEAAAASE DO THIS. Crowdfund the SHIT out of that. do it. doooooooo iiiiiittttt. I am a freelance content marketing person and I volunteer myself as tribute if you need weirdos like that for a campaign. 🙂
February 3, 2016 — 3:12 PM
kellbrigan says:
Hellz, yes. Story. Craft. Story story. Craft craft craft.
“So, you get ten unpublished novitiate authors and roughly the same number of mentors present…”
Of course, in my case, we’re talking mystery writers, and that pretty much means somebody’s getting offed, and that pretty much does it for #12. (And, the horror writers could even wind up with a dwindling party. Of course, the Sole Girl Survivor could probably get a great book out of the whole ordeal once she stumbles out on to the highway covered in blood and revision marks.)
February 3, 2016 — 3:13 PM
Laura says:
I like this a lot, no really, a lot. Focus on the writing and making what you got, better. I agree on the structure and focus. Do it.
February 3, 2016 — 3:13 PM
KimBoo York says:
One of the reasons I never apply to Clarion, despite a life long desire to do so, is that I can neither afford it, nor afford to take six weeks off from my life to attend. I’d ~RATHER~ go to a story lab like this anyway. I especially like the no workshopping between attendees; I’d be there to listen to the proven experts, not beta readers (mind you have I great beta readers, but!).
Seems to me what this idea really needs, though, is a wealthy patron. :/
February 3, 2016 — 3:13 PM
terribleminds says:
I’m pretty sure all authors need a wealthy patron. 🙂
February 4, 2016 — 7:36 AM
Fred G. Yost says:
I would love, love, love for this to exist!
For those ten people (which I would desperately work to be one) , it would be amazing.
February 3, 2016 — 3:17 PM
todddillard says:
More on the highly-focused, mentor-relationship side of things, you have Brenda Drake’s #pitmad. I follow some of the industry pros and writers on it, and it seems very helpful/cathartic/not soul-crushing.
I’ve always been wary of the “Pay two thousand dollars for this two week workshop!” thing. At some point you start to notice (me, 10 years too late) workshops skip craft for critique and they cease to be helpful. (You like my story? What’s a 3-Act structure? Every scene is supposed to have tension???)
February 3, 2016 — 3:18 PM
Judith says:
A seed planted…
February 3, 2016 — 3:18 PM
Michael J. Martinez says:
I admit, I like Storybridge, you romantic sunofagun.
February 3, 2016 — 3:19 PM
lucie says:
Awesome idea.Multiple thumbs up.
February 3, 2016 — 3:19 PM
Dianna Gunn says:
“Like, not MURDERSHACK isolated,”
But what if I WANT to edit a novel in the murdershack? I imagine it would be great for mysteries…
Although a moon base would be sweet, I’m down.
All silliness aside though, I can’t explain how much something like this would help me. I’ve found a handful of free residency programs to help you develop new work, but most of them just give you space/food/access to a pretty locale, and while all of that is nice, the extras here would make it an incredibly powerful program.
February 3, 2016 — 3:20 PM
kellbrigan says:
Murdershack on the Moon! Oh, wait. That’s Interstellar…
February 3, 2016 — 3:31 PM
Nicole Feldringer says:
Sounds amazing. I do think this differs from the other workshops you mentioned. Do you envision the mentors reading the complete manuscripts? I recognize that takes a lot of time, but I think a limitation of many workshops is that folks are only getting the first 8k or so and an optional synopsis. It’s hard to do a deep dissection on an excerpt.
February 3, 2016 — 3:21 PM
terribleminds says:
For the mentorship, they’d read the complete MS. For the application, that really depends on the number of applicants.
February 4, 2016 — 7:35 AM
Nicole Feldringer says:
Right. In addition to forgoing peer critique, this is a major feature that distinguishes your hypothetical story lab from preexisting workshops like Viable Paradise and Taos Toolbox. Both of those are less about writing new material than Clarion, for instance, but no one is getting feedback on their entire novel MS.
Very appealing. Would apply.
February 4, 2016 — 12:45 PM
Mr Urban Spaceman says:
Sounds like a spiffing idea. I wish I lived on your continent. Or could afford to visit your continent. I would keep everyone supplied in the finest single malt money can buy. Or that I can steal. If I had to buy it, it probably wouldn’t be *the finest*, per se, but it would be pretty good. I’m thinking Auchentoshan Three Wood triple distilled whisky. It’s like having a party in your mouth. And not one of those parties that gets crashed by a bunch of rowdy teenagers who insist on playing P-Diddy at ridiculous decibels.
Would you like to trade those magic seeds for, say, a cow? It’s a very fine cow. It, err, produces whisky instead of milk. For real.
February 3, 2016 — 3:24 PM
Amber Love (@elizabethamber) says:
That would be heavenly. Closest thing for me was online comics workshops and it honestly was the cost that made me stop. The interaction was different – mostly fellow, same level people giving feedback, but there were selections of scripts each month given to the pros to critique.
February 3, 2016 — 3:25 PM
kirizar says:
All that is missing is the battle arena where novice writers battle it out to see who gets to be among The Ten! Obviously, it will be a battle of wits to the literary death. Nothing more than paper cuts to show as a badge of honor.
February 3, 2016 — 3:26 PM
kellbrigan says:
“Last writer standing?” I would love to see something like that, actually. Maybe as a fund-raiser for something. It would have to be real time, so, maybe people would bet together once a day at a larger even that lasts a week. Start with ten writers (pre-screened) and do a double elimination down to one. Show all entries (say, 1K each) and include judges’ discussion on why one piece was better than another. Betting allowed.
February 3, 2016 — 3:35 PM
kirizar says:
I was thinking more along the lines of ‘Paper Cuts at Dawn’, but your idea works too.
February 5, 2016 — 11:13 PM
C. B. Matson says:
A week would be good, actually five days plus a travel day and a day of detox. Cheap/free is gonna be really tough, nothing comes apart faster than an underbudgeted event (oh, and so spectacularly so). Camping would get the “awayfromitall” going strong, but probably not to everyone’s taste. Maybe a beach house in the winter or a ski lodge in the summer? Bring your own food/bottle/substances? Communal cooking (ohh, murder most foul)? Not sure what there is to attract the Mentors except insects, whiny novices (that’s me), and morbid curiosity…
February 3, 2016 — 3:27 PM
Bryon Quertermous says:
I think having editors and agents would be vital because novelists, as opposed to playwrights and screenwriters (in my experience) are much much worse at breaking down story and helping others with it. But editors and certain agents are aces at this and it’s what they spend their day doing. Imagine the luxury for a young author to have a couple of the best editors in the business on hand for a week, unencumbered by the traditional BS that hinder editors (meetings, marketing, P&Ls). It would be magical for both author and editors/agents.
Theater companies do these really well with dramaturgs and, at their core, dramaturgs are a magical mix of writer, editor, and agent/business manager but all in the service of story rather than sales.
February 3, 2016 — 3:27 PM
terribleminds says:
I dunno about “much worse,” but either way, the goal here would be to bring on mentors who were skilled and interested in this department, not just, like, some randos. NOT JUST YOU, BYRON.
Editors and agents are great, but I don’t know that I’d want them as mentors. Again, their experience is breaking story to be sold — and I’d rather this be pretty intensely a writer thing?
February 4, 2016 — 7:34 AM
Bryon Quertermous says:
*runs away weeping in defeat*
February 4, 2016 — 9:51 AM
Allison says:
Yes. I would like this very much. And I will even give you money, particularly if it helps fund the event and makes it take place. It’d be great to have a bit of one-on-one mentoring.
February 3, 2016 — 3:36 PM
Lia Pas says:
I know when I’ve attended workshops at The Banff Centre (which is gorgeous, in the mountains, and has amazing food) there have been some programs that have offered scholarships and some that haven’t. The programs I’ve attended have ranged from 3 days to 3 weeks. Depending on the workshop leaders sometimes there was “workshopping” sometimes there was not. There is ALWAYS camaraderie which makes all the difference IMHO. Though most of their programs in the past have been for more “literary” styles (I hate that distinction!), they do offer more wide-ranging programming now. It would be worth emailing the head of Literary Arts there to see how feasible your idea might be at The Banff Centre.
February 3, 2016 — 3:40 PM
Beth says:
Totally awesome idea. And awesome for the ten people that got picked. But i’m not feeling the love because ten is not inclusive. Plus money is a thing. A big thing. Crowding funding for 20 people to share a space for a week? Hmmm.
Alternately, if you cyberspace the thing, you cut costs way down. So you don’t get to sniff each other’s pheromones. You are there to work, anyway and writers,god knows, don’t need any more distractions.than we have. You pay for “Go to Meeting” video conferencing. Maybe even set up a secure website where participants can forum their participation and other people can watch the process (for a fee maybe). Mentors can give cyber presentations. I can see them sneaking into some college hall at night and filming their talks. Or maybe schools will WELCOME such presenters with open arms and they’ll film the things for free for the presenters who will have an audience and questions. Surely there must a cyber solution to make this work. Do you see the possibilities? You can throw open the number of participants whose work is parsed (maybe limit it to the number of Mentors.) but it is inclusive and instructional because anyone who wants to can learn from the process.
I see t-shirts (for sale) that says “I dug Wendig’s Write Dig and all I got was this damned t-shirt.”
And lord know no one wants to gather a bunch of pantless writers in one place anyway. Unless there is liquors. Hey. That’s how cons work. 🙂
February 3, 2016 — 3:42 PM
terribleminds says:
Ten is a low number, admittedly, but I think you can make a case for ten very different writers attending and having that be meaningful.
Cyberspace really isn’t an option, at least not for the thing I’d want to do — this is very much the opposite of cyberspace. It’s about isolation and escape.
February 4, 2016 — 7:32 AM
Jinxie G says:
I would save up time off for this.
February 3, 2016 — 3:44 PM
Eric Moore says:
That sounds amazing! I bet you could set that whole thing up to be a virtual experience, then it wouldn’t cost anything. Of course, that wouldn’t be ideal, people wouldn’t be able to share meals and have cool drunken conversations with their favorite authors at night, but it could still be very beneficial. Four or five days of presentations and one-on-ones; if set up right, could still be very intense. (I live in Brazil…so I am all for this idea!)
February 3, 2016 — 3:44 PM
Carolyn Fritz says:
Everyone raves about Clarion and Odyssey, but there’s no way I have the money, the vacation time, or the desire to spend 6 weeks away from my family for a writing workshop. A one week intensive that’s free, or nearly so, would be a dream. I think if you could find a way to cover even half the costs of participants, you’d be on to something. I’m liking some of the cyber ideas people are posting too.
February 3, 2016 — 3:54 PM
Pat says:
Sensei – Please, yes!
February 3, 2016 — 4:00 PM
TheMildlyAnnoyedGreek says:
I would give my left undescended testicle for something like this, and support its creation/continued existence.
I live very close to Clarion West, and as much as I *want* to go and know it would be a great learning experience there’s just no way I can take that much time away from my job.
If you go ahead with this, you have my axe. Or at least the equivalent cash value of a pretty good one. New, though. Not used. Although I guess used in this case would just prove effectiveness and get you a decent deal in the process, but I would still donate the cost of at least one very fine new axe.
February 3, 2016 — 4:05 PM
ooakthistle says:
Yes, please. Pretty please.
February 3, 2016 — 4:06 PM
CK Stull says:
I’ve been searching for months for something like this. Sign me up!
February 3, 2016 — 4:13 PM
Eric says:
I love this. Especially the mob of mentors idea.
February 3, 2016 — 4:18 PM
Danielle DeLisle (@DanielleDeLisle) says:
I went to Odyssey. I can answer some of your questions about that one.
1) Yes, you do pay. All total for the tuition, flight, extras and all that it was about $4,000 dollars for me (worth every penny, btw)
2) Big focus is on receiving and giving critiques, as well as lectures, weekly teachers, and some one on one meetings.
3) You write one new short story per week and that is what is workshopped and critiqued. Each day you get stories to read and critique the next day as well as work on your own submission for the week.
4) It is six weeks.
Both Clarions are similar. I cherish my time at Odyssey and feel it was worth every effort and sacrifice I made to get there, just in case anybody wondered. Hope that helps.
February 3, 2016 — 4:19 PM
pebolivar says:
Excellent idea!
February 3, 2016 — 4:20 PM
williamallenpepper says:
I’m in. I want to go to this. Right now. *packs suitcase and waits by door for Chuck to peddle by and pick me up*
February 3, 2016 — 4:43 PM
Mike Voss says:
Nobidy could argue with your proposals, Chuck, as they seem to fill a fundamental vacuum left by other shops. I see the same drawbacks as others – a week is great but leaves little time for a full novel to get vetted by 2-3 mentors. Also how to choose just 10 newbies, although requiring a completed work probably helps a bit there. Perhaps this would work better as a one on one mentor program, with a combo of email and skype conferences from everyone’s homes? 2 days per mentor for 3 mentors a student? On the 7th day they rested? Kudos for braving the waters on this in any case, and it bears a lot more discussion. M
February 3, 2016 — 4:45 PM
terribleminds says:
Having done a similar lab in screenwriting, five days is actually enough.
February 4, 2016 — 7:30 AM
Melissa says:
Sounds fucking awesome. You’d have some sort of dystopian death-battle to get in on your hands…
February 3, 2016 — 4:53 PM
cchrisman says:
I would volunteer to help coordinate (was a production coordinator in a past life) and do admin for said workshop…as long as I get to go 🙂 nooo just kidding. i’d love to see something like this, and agree with Mike, maybe some online component would make it something more attainable now, although still the people mentoring need compensation of some sort, or would they just get extra points in the “good deeds” column?
February 3, 2016 — 4:54 PM
pp48 says:
God! I desperately need this dream to come to fruition. Thank you for your brainstorming. And my two cents is, no cyberspace. Aren’t we all living in screens as it is? We need face to face. I live in paradise in the summer, southwest Mi., where the lakefront reigns. So…beach, copious beer and good mentors. We should talk!
February 3, 2016 — 4:57 PM
Dianna Gunn says:
It would be cool to email mentors manuscripts a couple weeks in advance so they could read them and make notes so they’re already prepared to dive right into feedback when they get to the conference.
February 3, 2016 — 5:00 PM
dmcclure17 says:
An interesting idea, but I have to confess I don’t really get how this workshop is supposed to work. Would I submit a “completed” manuscript ahead of time? Would the mentor read and prepare feedback before the workshop? If so, what happens after the first hour of the first day? I mean, once I’m done getting feedback from her, are we supposed to retire to the back lawn and play bocci? Or do we just stay locked in a room and stare awkwardly at each other? Or would I try to cram as much coached and supervised revision into the week as possible?
I really like the idea of working 1 on 1 with a mentor as opposed to peer-review (which in my experience is close to worthless), I’m just not sure what the “schedule” would look like for the whole week.
February 3, 2016 — 5:00 PM
terribleminds says:
Submit completed MS. One that needs work.
Mentors (or whoever) select ten MSes from the pack and those ten are the authors who come to the event. You’d have more than one mentor and you’d have one or several sessions with each mentor over the course of the five days. Schedule also includes meals, presentations, maybe that book club component, group talks.
February 4, 2016 — 7:28 AM
dmcclure17 says:
Thanks, Chuck! That definitely sounds like a lot of value for the author attendees, but also a butt load of work for the mentors. The rest of the package (heh) sounds good for everybody involved, though. A presentation or two about current trends in self-publishing combined with the inevitable “Should I get an agent?/How do I get an agent?/Why won’t my agent answer my sexts?” are always worth the time.
Color me interested! (It’s navy blue with silver trim, just in case you were wondering)
February 4, 2016 — 10:12 PM
Cee Negelein says:
If I had won that gazillion dollar lotto, I would throw money at this as long as I got to attend.
But other writers gotta eat as they teach. Or maybe turn all of this into a Skype staycation? It doesn’t do the isolation thing, but it’s a start.
February 3, 2016 — 5:04 PM
disperser says:
As a recent VP graduate (got me a diploma saying I can suck, and everything), I can say that I like a lot of the ideas you put forth. Don’t know about the money thing, but can comment about the other stuff . . .
One week is fine (five working days – that’s VP’s schedule) and even less if there’s a desire to process more people. Fully agree with no new writing. For VP, we sent in up to 8K of a work-in-progress.
Fully agree the instructors should be the only ones doing reviews and/or critiques. That’s one thing I thought could have been done better in VP; more one-on-ones with instructors. Granted, participants could schedule extra one-on-ones sessions, and many did, but if someone is, let’s say, not comfortable asking people for stuff, one might not have any one-on-ones outside the few that are scheduled. Also, the problem with an unscheduled one-on-one is that the particular instructor might not have read your work.
Instructor talks were useful, but really, almost anyone who is into writing does a lot of research. Reading blogs, listening to podcasts and interviews, etc. had me at the point where very little of what I heard on the talks was new to me. It was useful and a few nuances were of value, but I would have preferred more in-depth feedback to my writing.
The rest of what you say all sounds good.
Oh, just in case anyone gets the impression I’m disparaging VP, not so. I am glad I went, would do it again, and would recommend anyone who can afford it as a nice week-long immersion into the craft of writing.
February 3, 2016 — 5:06 PM
Ty Martin (@restlesoul) says:
I’m in! You DID say sumth’n about being sponsored by a Whiskey brand, right? And maybe, like, a coffee and or energy drink company. And chicken wings! They have companies, right? Not the chickens. Mmmmm, creativity.
February 3, 2016 — 5:07 PM
Janet K Smith says:
I love this idea and may I suggest a Canadian location to stretch your powerful US dollar? Say Campbell River on Vancouver Island? I met you at the Surrey Int’l Writer’s Conference in 2014 and have been an avid reader of your work ever since. I’ve been looking for an in-depth workshop for my first novel, but there’s not a lot of SF help up here lately. Hope this comes together. PS. Logistics is my specialty, so you already have a local contact :o)
February 3, 2016 — 5:18 PM
tabithahuizinga says:
Love this idea! Logistics could be tricky, but I do think offering a shorter story lab would be really helpful for a lot of people. (And if it’s free? Forget about it!)
For those who were concerned that a group of 10 wouldn’t be very inclusive, maybe there could (eventually) be multiple events throughout the year? Although that would be even more complicated logistically. (Oops!)
February 3, 2016 — 5:19 PM