SEE WHAT I DID THERE?
PROS CONS OF PRO CONS.
I tickle myself inappropriately.
Anyway, so, last week Authorbeing Marko Kloos wrote a post about the cost of his trip to Confusion, an SFF con in Michigan. His estimation of cost: $1880, though he notes with more frugal spending that cost could’ve easily been knocked down to under a thousand bucks.
Still, a thousand bucks is no small amount of cash. With that you could pay rent, make a car payment, buy a month’s worth of groceries, or finally afford a long relaxing weekend with your own personal SEX PONY. Is that an actual pony with whom you make love? Or a person dressed like a pony who just hangs around being sexy? I have no idea! I don’t want to know your peccadillos! I’m not here to judge!
The question, particularly for genre writers, becomes:
Is it worth it?
Is it worth going to a convention or festival not just as a fan but as a professional writer or a writer seeking professional connections? Are some conventions better than others? After all, a genre convention (SFF or mystery or YA) will be different from a more general writer convention (conference) and those will be different yet from a comic-con or book festival.
Do you need to go to one?
Let’s just get the tl;dr out of the way right now:
Nope, you don’t.
THERE I DID YOUR WORK FOR YOU NOW GO HOME.
Wait! I was kidding, don’t go away. Unless you’re going away to get me some French fries. You’re not? Then fine, plunk your BOTTOM REGION down on that CHAIR-SHAPED ENTITY and listen because I’m not done talking, goddamnit. No, you don’t need to go to any convention…
But you may still find value there. You are not required to go — meaning, at no point is your professional career hinging entirely on WHO YOU SCHMOOZED AT THE BAR THAT NIGHT AT WANGLE-DANGLECON. Your writing career hinges on writing good books that an editor likes and a publisher thinks they can sell and that readers want to read and also, there’s a hefty dumpster-load of luck at play, too.
Though, let’s talk a little bit about that luck factor, shall we? If we view luck through the lens of an RPG, your Luck Stat can (by most rules) be used to boost your chances at, say, finding more treasure or managing a critical hit while attacking a VILE DISPLACER GIRAFFE. If we view life as one big ongoing RPG, then your Luck Stat is there to boost your chances in various life arenas from the romantic to the financial to the professional. Very few things rely entirely on luck — but many things can be influenced by luck. Writing and publishing included.
You can not create luck, really. But you can maximize it.
Bringing this full circle, going to a convention or conference or festival can help maximize your luck in this space. Meaning, maybe you cross paths with an agent or editor who will remember you later when your book crosses their desk. Or maybe you’ll meet another author who is likelier to take a look at your book to blurb it when the time comes because they actually remember your face. Or maybe you attend a panel where four authors say a bunch of smart and dumb stuff that combines like IDEA VOLTRON in your head to form your next book. Again, none of this is essential, but a lot of it has the chance to give you a boost in a variety of ways.
That’s the upfront tl;dr —
No, conventions/conferences/festivals are explicitly not “required.”
But they can be worth it.
Let’s now hash out the actual pros and cons, yeah?
(Disclaimer: this post is just my opinion, and does not comprise anything resembling fact.)
The Pros About Cons!
+ You will meet people. These people can become your friends. Not just resources (as in, “HUMAN CHITS YOU WILL SPEND TO BUY UPGRADES TO YOUR CAREER”) but actual human beings inside writing or publishing that you think are rad. And they think you’re rad. Friendship is good. Friendship can be a life preserver flung to you in the tumult of the storm-tossed publishing sea. The friendship can begin at a con and can continue for literally your whole life after. That’s a pretty special thing.
+ You will meet other people. They will not become friends, but they are part of the community at large, and it’s good to be aware of the community at large. Just being connected to something has value — it sounds stupid, but if you’re going to live in the woods you should probably take some time to walk in the woods. Take a look around. Learn the smells. Get a vibe, take a pulse, whatever. Most genre communities are far smaller than you think. And those various communities overlap, too. It’s good to be there. It’s good to make yourself present and mindful. Later on, your connection may have echoes. It may yield fruit.
+ You might learn really good things. A lot of panels can be amazing. Creativity is strengthened through agitation — meaning, we grab a bunch of polarizing ideas from outside sources and jam them into our head and shake our skull around like it’s a rock tumbler. It polishes what’s already in there and breaks apart other, lesser ideas. Agitation leads to revelation. The old chestnut is always write what you know, but the unspoken follow-up to that is you can always learn more stuff. Cons are a good place to learn more stuff.
+ Cons are also great teaching opportunities. Share what you know! CONTRIBUTE IDEA GOOP TO THE GIANT GLOB OF IDEA GOOP AND INCREASE CREATIVE SYMBIOSIS.
+ I have routinely left most cons feeling professionally and creatively energized. I love this.
+ Commiseration! Writing is hard! Publishing is harder! It’s good to get together with people who GROK YOUR MOJO and with whom you can speak at length about stuff you could (and should) never put on social media. This isn’t just about letting off steam, but rather, about helping to talk-through solutions and to hear about the experiences of others.
+ You will meet industry people. Said it before but it bears repeating: sometimes meeting an agent or editor or publicist or whomever can have unseen value in this gig. Just the simple fact that they might remember you later (ideally as the nice person who said something funny rather than the fucking dong-hole who said something incomprehensible while slobbery drunk) can be a really good thing. Plus, these people might share straight dope about the industry. Never underestimate the value of scuttlebutt.
+ You will meet fans. Maybe you have a new book out. Maybe you published one short story. Maybe you’re a writer with a dozen books on shelves. You probably have fans. No, really! In genre in particular, the audience is smaller than you think and better connected than you expect. Someone there may have read what you wrote. And they loved it. Go meet them!
+ You will make fans. Being on a panel or just talking to people can endear you to them. You get up there and say something smart or crack wise in the right way and someone in that audience may convert — the ideal moment is the one where they think, I need to read what this person has written. Every moment at a con is an opportunity to make new friends and new fans.
+ You can be a fan! Never fail to be a fan inside the industry. I am a fan of other writers — both writers whose work inspired me to be a writer and present peers whose work inspires me alongside my own work. It’s really good to go and just be amazed by the really rad people doing this thing that you love to do. I am incredibly happy when surrounded by talented writer-folk. I think that’s true for most of us. I mean, sure, some of them are fucking dong-holes, but if I’m being honest? They’re few and far between. Most people in this business are pretty cool and I feel lucky to be a part of it.
+ You might actually sell some books.
+ It’s tax-deductible as a professional expense!
The Cons About Cons!
– You might not actually sell some books. Every con is different — the best thing is when a con has a dedicated bookstore associated with it (like Mysterious Galaxy, for example) running the book sales. But a lot of cons (even some big ones, like Gen Con or DragonCon) do not have an easy flow between panels and book sales. See, here’s the thing: when you get on a panel and you do your sexy panel dance and then the audience is like SWEET SLIPPERY JESUS I NEED THIS AUTHOR’S BOOKS, that is a window of opportunity. But that window closes. As most people are traditionally like goldfish, they will remember your name and your book for a short time and then, after an hour unreminded will go off to get tacos or see another panel. In a perfect world there is a flow between panel and bookseller that is easy and unobstructed. (Festivals tend to be very good at this in my experience. Conventions and conferences, less so.)
– The ROI on selling books will almost never make up the expense for going. To cover $1000 cost, you would need to sell — *does quick math* — A SHITLOAD, SQUARED. And given that most bookstores will show up carrying fewer copies than that squared shitload, well. You do the math. I mean it. You do it because I don’t want to. Hey, I didn’t get into writing books for the math. THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL EVER PULLED WAS MATH CLASS.
– Some cons will allow you to bring your own books and sell them on consignment. This is a good way to make money. It’s also a good way to do backbreaking labor because books are the heaviest substance known to man and if the con isn’t in driving distance now you’re hauling ten boxes of your dumb books through an airport or sending them with UPS and the cost of that probably obviates any money you’d make anyway.
– It’s weird going to cons where you don’t know people. It’s hard to connect to a community when you don’t know that community. And you run the risk of feeling weird when you just walk up to a pack of pro writers and stand there, staring at them. Never mind the fact writers can be socially awkward, anyway? I know I can be. (Here the best solution is to go to their events throughout and introduce yourself after a panel or in a signing line and then later you can pop by again and say hi.) Just know that it can be tricky!
– Cons can be stressful and may cause you to spend more spoons than you possess. Meaning, if you are a person with anxiety or depression or other social stressors, then a con can amplify them. I generally believe most cons to contain welcoming, awesome people. But that is not universal, nor is it always easy to access the welcome, awesome people.
– Mentioned already, but cons can cost real money. Hotels, travel, con fee. Not as hard if you’re in driving distance, and easier if you can bunk up with people. Still: money is money, and conferences can be seen as a luxury rather than an essential. Cons thus favor those privileged enough to afford them. (Note: many festivals are free. And free is good.)
– Not all the information at cons is good. I’ve gone to panels and heard writers talk about marketing and promotion or other topics and have literally felt like launching up with my arms flapping about to warn everyone away like I’m Charlton Heston in Soylent Green. THEIR ADVICE IS MADE OF STUPID PEOPLE, I would cry, and then in a crossover would point to the unburied beach head of the Statue of Liberty and something something damn dirty apes. Generally, I love panels at cons. Sometimes, though, you get a real weird mix, and it’s vital to take all the advice with not just a grain of salt but an entire subterranean salt mine.
– Also some cons have really weird niche panels like FURRIES VERSUS STARSHIP CAPTAINS and HOW TO SELL YOUR OCTOGENARIAN EPIC SEX FANTASY and you might start to feel like, wait, why did I pay to come here, this isn’t helping me at all.
– Some cons make it hard to get on programming. You go and you pay and then you get one panel on a subject to which you are only barely connected. (“Why am I on a panel called WRITING ABOUT SUPERNATURAL HYPERSPACE NINJA TRAINS? Because I once mentioned a train and a ninja in the same chapter? Uh, okay?”)
– Also some cons make it hard to get hotels. The name of one of the Circles of Hell is “hotel lottery.” Some cons are in cities where you can comfortably stay outside of town for less money.
The Other Things You Should Think About!
* Social media is a semi-meaningful replacement for cons and festivals. Wildly imperfect but a partly-functional facsimile thereof. Even still, sometimes the relationships you form online are really only cemented when you meet in person. (Though the reverse can be true, too.)
* Going to cons is not essential but it is useful — that said, its usefulness is of diminishing value. Some writers go to a whole lot of cons and that’s fine if it’s not on their dime. If it’s on their dime, I’d argue they’re putting in more than they’re getting out — meaning, the ROI is borked. Choose one or two cons that really represent what you care about and about which you have heard good things. Then go.
* If you cannot afford the total package, BARCON is a possibility — meaning, you can not pay to go to the con but you can hang out in the bar where the writers and publishing people will almost certainly be. Even when we don’t drink we’re like animals at a watering hole, man. And really, don’t worry if you don’t drink. One writer (cough cough Brian McClellan) goes and brings a whole fucking cake and just sits there and eats it and shares it. Which is bad-ass. I actually demand that cake be a vital part of all my con-going from here on out. Brian knows what the fuck is up. I bet Brian has ‘cake’ in his publishing contracts.
* At a certain level, publishers may offer to send you to these events. SAY YES. This is what you want: a publisher spending money on you, your career, and the promotion of your work.
* Going to cons is more about networking than about selling books. Networking may feel like a crass unpleasant affair, because mostly, it is. So don’t really do that. Go and just be with people. Be a sponge. Absorb. Contribute your own thought matter where appropriate. Go not to MAKE CONNECTIONS but go to HANG OUT WITH AWESOME WRITER-PUBLISHER PEOPLE. Again, don’t view people as what they can do for you. People are not outlets for your plug. Real connections are about something deeper than professional exploitation, mutual or otherwise. Being with other humans is a life skill. Cons are good practice for it.
* (I am just now reading a good post by Sunny Moraine about how writing is a solitary activity but also cons are useful and essential and hey go read it when you have a chance.)
What Cons Can Do Better For Writers (And Everybody!)
(Time to talk a little to the cons, now!)
• Get yourself a nice, easy-to-find, easy-to-understand, and most of all easy-to-enforce anti-harassment policy. Writers like safe spaces for ourselves and more importantly, for our fans.
• Be disability accessible. This is 2016. Acknowledge that not everyone has the privilege of being in perfect mental or physical health. I know this isn’t easy and it may cost you money but others have done it and and you need to do it, too. Get on the ball.
• If we are invited as more than just a “person attending,” and we’re anticipating being on panels or doing workshops or whatever, then bare minimum, comp us the cost of the conference. If it’s a conference we wanted to go to in the first place, that’s good. If not, then it won’t be enough. (Consider that it’d be like your workplace saying, “You can come to work today for free — we won’t even charge you for the elevator ride.”)
• Echoing what I said above, but I feel it’s important — published authors come to cons and they would really like to PUSH THEIR WORD-DRUGS ON THE UNSUSPECTING MASSES — uh, I mean, we want to sell our books. Help us do that. Book sales, ideally, will be near to where we are speaking or doing panels. There exists that aforementioned precious moment during and just after a panel where people who are unfamiliar with us may be convinced to try a book by us . That moment is not permanent. They leave the waters of Mnemosyne and we are lost to the river of Lethe. While cons are not all about selling books, we still wanna do it. And our publishers really want us to do it. (It’s kinda why they like us.)
• Don’t make us sell our own books. Some authors want to do this, and them having the option is great. I like to sell my books through bookstores because I want bookstores to be rewarded.
• COOL CENTRAL BAR OR GTFO
• I like when cons offer a green room or separate space for the attending creative people. It’s nice to get to meet a cross-section of other folks speaking and such.
• At panels, I like having water. This is usually a problem but once in a while it isn’t and it needs to be. Though I loathe the waste, bottled water is nice because I can take it with me, and sometimes the pitcher of water on the table has been sitting there since the Mesozoic Era and if you look close enough you can see skin cells and mosquito eggs just floating around in there and ew. What I’m trying to say is, clean hydration is key, goddamnit.
• Also, moderators for panels are an important consideration. Erm, not that you have them (you should, but you already know that), but that they don’t suck. Most moderators are awesome. Some moderators think they’re part of the panel rather than shepherds of the panelists, and then speak at length instead of letting the panelists have a say. YER NOT A WIZARD, ‘ARRY.
• Too many people on a panel is not so good. You get more than five people, it’s like — nobody can really say boo about shit or shit about boo. You get one answer to a question and that’s your time. You hold the mic to your mouth, and breathily answer “yes” to the one question and then it’s over. This is less of an issue if the panels are longer than 50 minutes. But many are understandably not!
• Panels at writing events only about writing drive me nuts. Like, here’s the thing: yes, we need those, and yes, the audience wants those, so yay. But I’m also a huge fan when you have panels on like, random shit that writers can use. A forensics panel at a mystery con. A panel on space travel at a SFF con. Random panels on smart stuff. And, here is the key, not all panels need to be staffed by writers. Staff them with specialists with regards to the specialty. (Admittedly, some authors are specialists, so, fine.) I mean, don’t put me on a panel where I have to be smart about stuff. I AM IDIOT DO NOT TRUST ME. The other thing about a lot of writing panels is that they’re very 101-level stuff. It’s good to offer a variety! Variety is the spice of life. Paprika is also the spice of life. And we all know that the spice must flow.
What Cons Do You Like?
I have thoughts about specific conventions, conferences and festivals — though that will have to wait for another post, I think, as this one has already gone on way too damn long. Just the same, your time to chime in is now — what, if I can ask, are your favorite conventions, conferences and festivals? Anything counts, whether explicitly genre-based SFF or mystery cons, or comic-cons or writing conferences or book festivals or that time I invited you into my basement and I tricked you into talking with me about my extensive Garbage Pail Kids card collection.
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Hamnerd says:
Oh, man! Cons! I haven’t been to ANY since 2011. I only really like attending Star Trek cons (as an attendee, but I’d love to eventually go as a guest). I’ve been to Dr. Who cons in the past as a guest, providing the nights entertainment.
But as a writer going to a con to network? I find it very difficult. I’m very shy so talking to people is a nightmare, and if I have to pay for it, it’s doubly hard these days. Getting the time off work, finding someone to pet-sit and then getting the flight and hotel. Maybe someday when I’m not living on a shoestring budget or it’s not on my dime.
January 31, 2016 — 3:37 PM
Hamnerd says:
I forgot to add, I always try to register for the San Diego comic con but it is always sold out before I can buy a pass. Only chance I have of going in future is if I get credentials.
January 31, 2016 — 3:39 PM
Laura Roberts (@originaloflaura) says:
Ooh! I love the cake idea. You know, I’ve never thought about just going to the con bar and hanging out, but THAT is decidedly the cheapest way to meet peeps at any con. Maybe I will do that for AWP, since it is close enough to San Diego (in LA this year), but still annoyingly far away enough that you’d have to pay real money to stay in a hotel and all of that crap. Take the train up for a day, do some schmoozing, and then slip back into the night like the mysterious Woman of the Night that I am. 😉
January 31, 2016 — 3:50 PM
Dawn Napier says:
Right? I can never afford the Chicago Writer’s Conference, but just show up in the hotel lobby and have drinks—hell yeah I can afford THAT. One drink, anyway. 😀
January 31, 2016 — 4:47 PM
Melissa says:
I loved the cake idea too – wish I’d thought of that last year at ITW when I went pregnant. It felt extremely awkward standing around without a drink, though I was able to buy my way into conversations by giving away my drink tickets. 😉
Never heard of AWP, but since you mention it’s in LA (I’m in Santa Barbara) I looked it up. Sounds enormous and daunting, but maybe I’ll see you in the bar!
January 31, 2016 — 5:57 PM
Shiny Butter says:
I went to a conference (very) pregnant once. My stomach seemed to blind people to anything else about me—or the conference. Jeez.
February 1, 2016 — 10:09 AM
Dawn Napier says:
I don’t know what your genre of choice is Shiny, but if it’s sci fi or horror you could have scored some serious points by lifting up your shirt every time the baby kicked or tumbled and faking a seizure while gasping, “Killll… meeee….”
Just kidding. I’ve never done that. It’s wrong to exploit one’s fetus for attention. *looks innocent*
February 1, 2016 — 12:56 PM
Shiny Butter says:
Well, now. Wish I’d thought of that. 😉
February 2, 2016 — 4:00 PM
Melissa says:
Shiny – exactly that! I did pitchfest and had people coming up to me afterward asking how I’d done and telling me they’d had conversations wondering “how the pregnant lady was holding up”. People are nice, for sure, but it’s weird having a big spotlight (belly) on you at all times!
Dawn – uh… thanks for the pointer? How to make friends and traumatize people!
February 1, 2016 — 1:03 PM
Shiny Butter says:
Yep. No sneaking around in that condition.
February 2, 2016 — 4:04 PM
Dawn Napier says:
I have a lot of fun at local comicons here in the Midwest. There are one or two big ones every summer and a small one (about the size of a warehouse) every other month or so. The most I’ve ever made in sales was about half the cost of the table, but my ebook sales always jump significantly for a good two weeks afterwards. And it feels good, I usually get a few emails afterwards from people who bought the book and want to give feedback.
January 31, 2016 — 4:58 PM
betsydornbusch says:
I will try to remember to bring cookies to AnomalyCon. There will most definitely be whiskey and tea.
I go to 6-8 cons a year but I’m lucky in that Denver has lots of great cons all year long. I’m not a person to sit behind a table and sell books, so I muchly prefer the cons with booksellers at them. Pro-tip, drop the booksellers an email or phone call a month prior to let them know you’re there and you have books they can sell! (Speaking of, I need to get on that…)
January 31, 2016 — 6:50 PM
Beth says:
Right?!? I just moved to Denver and it is just the best. I’m looking forward to getting a little more settled in and active in the community here. Not just cons, there are literary events ALL THE TIME and geek spaces EVERYWHERE.
I went to cons as a fan years ago, but babies and poverty cut back on that a lot, and this past MileHiCon was both my first con in a number of years and my first approaching the experience as a writer. I found it tremendously valuable.
January 31, 2016 — 7:33 PM
betsydornbusch says:
Yay! I love MHC (though unfortunately missing it this year). It has a WONDERFUL writing track.
The Front Range is the best place to live for writerly geeks ever. So many places and events. 😀
January 31, 2016 — 7:44 PM
Tony Katava says:
I’m in the Denver area also. Just attending local cons as an actual author this year after visiting a few over the last couple years. Its taken a while but feel like I’m getting more comfortable with it. I need to follow up on your tip about the booksellers. Planning on hitting StarFest in March for the first time.
February 2, 2016 — 10:28 PM
S. A. Hunt says:
Anybody have a good word about DragonCon? I’ve been thinking about going there this year.
January 31, 2016 — 7:13 PM
janaoliver Oliver says:
Mileage may vary. I did Dragon for twelve years. Unlike others, I’ve not sold a lot of books there unless it was a new release and it was through a bookseller, but I have increased my “name recognition” by doing panels across five different tracks. Which is totally exhausting, btw. And Dragon is anything but a cheap gig. Still, it’s an experience one should have at least once in your life.
January 31, 2016 — 7:54 PM
terribleminds says:
I both loved it and also found it very overwhelming. Out of all the cons I’ve done, that one made me feel like I was drowning in people more than any other.
January 31, 2016 — 8:51 PM
janaoliver says:
I kinda like the smaller cons. That way I have more time to talk to the readers, spend time with my fellow writer folks without all the crush of humanity. But then I wouldn’t have had the option to shake hands with Anne McCaffrey at one of the smaller cons, either, so Dragon is what it is.
February 1, 2016 — 11:49 AM
bobbynash says:
I agree, Jana. The smaller cons are great for being able to talk and spend time with the people who come by the table. I also find the panels at the smaller cons great because of the good back and forth with the audience. Some of the best writing panels I’ve been on were at shows like Connooga or Con Carolinas.
February 1, 2016 — 11:53 AM
Miri says:
My biggest thing is this: make sure you’ve done whatever you have to do to maximize your spoons for the day (proper hydration and nutrition, which get a little more difficult at a con, are an absolute must, as is having someone nearby or on call that you can trust to bail you out if you get overwhelmed). There are an absolute shitton of people. This cannot be overstated.
That said, DragonCon was my first con (this was back in 2007), and the first time I ever felt like I could have a conversation with just about anyone I came across. The panels and celebrities and shopping and people-watching are spectacular (Atlanta is a hub of costuming technical talent), but my favorite moments are chatting with people–waiting in line, waiting for elevators, nabbing the last spot in the Peachtree Center food court. If you’re waiting on the same panel, you have somewhere to start the conversation. Same for getting stuck in a crowd somewhere, or grabbing food. The ice is pre-broken, and that was a revelation for me.
I’ve only been as an attendee and a quasi-volunteer (I judge one of the costume contests, which eats my Saturday but I wouldn’t trade it for the world), so I can’t speak to the business side of things, but it’s my favorite show, my adventure of sound and light and color and fabric and words for the year, and I would never miss it. Even if it takes me a few days to recover from.
January 31, 2016 — 10:45 PM
Suzanne Church says:
DragonCon is fun. That said, it’s expensive and requires significant planning.
Booking into one of the big con hotels involves a lottery, and that’s exactly how it sounds. Last year I couldn’t get a hotel so I didn’t attend. Some of my friends have had success staying farther away and taking the subway (MARTA) every day. I haven’t done so. The room blocks open in September/October, nearly an entire year before the con, so – PLANNING
Download the app ahead of time, search out the panels you want to see and plan accordingly. It’s a long way from the Westin (YA track) to the Sheraton and some panels have LONG lines. That said, if you stay at one of the convention hotels and you miss out on a big panel, they rebroadcast them on DragonConTV in the rooms. so – PLANNING
Have snacks and water in a bag you carry around. The act of searching out food in the food court, waiting in line, waiting for a table, etc, can burn into your travel time. so – PLANNING.
As an author, there’s a 2 step process to being on panels at DragonCon. First you must apply to be either a “guest” or an “attending professional”. Guests are high ranking authors with some serious name cred. I’ve only attended as a professional. Once they approve your application, then you need to email the different track directors (YA Track, Literature track, etc) to let them know your credentials and what topics you can speak about. so – PLANNING.
That’s my two cents.
February 1, 2016 — 9:26 AM
Carolyn Rogers says:
S.A. Hunt I do! I went to DragonCon this last year for the first time in a decade. I went with friends interested in other things – I was there for the YA panels. So, I ended up doing a lot of things on my own. After the first day, I got in the swing of talking all the marvelous strangers, many of them like me – with friends, but doing their own things. I hit all the YA panels, met up with friends I’d met online via the Reddit YA Writers group, hit all the swordfighting, archery and armory panels I could – attended Jim Butcher’s entertaining talk, sigh, missed Felicia Day because THAT LINE… walked my socks off and came home excited to do it again this year, which I plan to. I came home super-charged from the fantasy panels, the YA panels, the armory panels. Finally started to watch Stargate so I could be more into what my friends were, and loved the Firefly panel I attended – religion in Firefly’s universe. As a non-religious person, i found it fascinating. Then there are the people! The outfits! The Caribou Iced Coffee! I stayed in a local air bnb the first night then in a hotel with my friends. So. Much. FUN. And, very affordable. Didn’t encounter any of the expected gamergate snarking though a few asked panelists here and there their thoughts. All in all, well worth it, and the locals, some of whom I talked to, were marvelous. It had changed a lot (SO HUGE) in the decade since I’d been, but all I could see was a positive experience.
January 31, 2016 — 7:48 PM
Miri says:
That Caribou stand is pure salvation.
January 31, 2016 — 10:38 PM
janaoliver Oliver says:
As a scarred veteran of (does quick math with super computer) over 150 cons (good G-d in heaven, what as I thinking) you hit it out of the park, Chuck. I’ve been to great cons, sucky cons, on panels with moderators that wanted me to kiss the hem of their garment, as well as moderators that I would have bludgeoned to death with the water pitcher.
Bottom line: when I was starting out (back in the dim reaches of 2001 before that which we call Social Media) cons were a great way to get my name and books in front of people. Still is, but the ROI has decreased with each year. Now that I’m an established author person, I find I prefer to stay home, interact on Facebook (etc.) and actually write more books per year. Every now and then I’ll wander out so someone don’t start the “Isn’t she dead?” rumors, but on the whole I’ve backed away from cons big time. I think I’m only doing 4 this year, which is a stark contrast to the 10-12+ I used to do.
I think they’re great if you’re new on the scene and can afford the expense. For someone in my position, fewer is better. There is such a thing as over exposure. T
Thanks for the post. I’ll share it all over Facebook because it’s so right on.
January 31, 2016 — 7:50 PM
Bev Kodak says:
Yes, Jana, write more books! Also, I miss you. Please come back to DragonCon one of these days!
January 31, 2016 — 11:11 PM
janaoliver says:
More books are in the works. I might wander back to Dragon next year, if they’ll have me. You’ll be one of the first to know if I return.
February 1, 2016 — 11:52 AM
SMertz74 says:
I’d love to hear which cons/writer’s conventions you think would be worth the most bang for the buck, Chuck. I live in Minnesota…there is virtually no conventions to go to locally. The few one-day events I’ve gone to haven’t been worth the money I spent on them, so going to something in a different state where costs go up to include airfare and hotels, kind of scares me given my experiences so far and a limited budget.
I eagerly await that blog, if you decide to write it.
thanks!
January 31, 2016 — 7:54 PM
angeliquejamail says:
If you don’t mind the opinion of someone who isn’t Chuck… 😉 You might check out DFWCon.org in Texas. I’ve been three times and have had a positive experience each time. Plus, the one-on-one pitch sessions are ten minutes long.
January 31, 2016 — 9:48 PM
jtw928 says:
I don’t know where you are in Minnesota, but the Twin Cities actually have a good handful of interesting conventions. For SFF writers in particular, if you haven’t checked out 4th St. Fantasy (June), definitely look into it – it’s small, entirely focused on writing and writers, and is attended by a lot of very interesting and knowledgeable pros. As a writer, I’ve found the couple of 4th Streets I’ve attended to be invaluable. Otherwise, CONvergence (4th of July weekend) is larger and more fan-oriented; it’s not ComicCon or DragonCon levels of overwhelming, but it’s definitely more of a party atmosphere. That having been said, a lot of good writing pros also attend CONvergence, and I happen to love the whole thing.
Other cons in the Twin Cities include Minicon (Easter weekend) – the oldest con in the Cities, slightly more literary SFF focused – and Marscon (also in March, I believe), which I haven’t attended, but seems to be more non-book media focused from what I’ve seen. And there are other, more niche conventions, like Arcana (October), which is horror/dark fantasy focused.
tl;dr – if you’re in the Cities, or willing to travel here, there’s a really good, vibrant SFF writer and convention culture here!
February 1, 2016 — 9:22 AM
Marshall Ryan Maresca says:
I have many thoughts.
-Don’t make us sell our own books.-
Dear lord, yes. This has become my bare-minimum litmus test. Someone is selling books, and they were given the information necessary to stock the books of guests/panelists of the con.
Also, in terms of things cons can do? Be clear about what your con is on your website. I swear, several that I’ve looked into were vague to the point of madness about what the con is, what sort of things go on there, or even– AND I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP– where they are. There are several I looked up that I could not tell what city or even state they were in.
January 31, 2016 — 7:57 PM
Laurie says:
Yes! Please do not make us search and search and search for WHERE the conference is. I don’t want to guess. I want to KNOW: what city and state is this conference in?!?!
January 31, 2016 — 8:45 PM
Kay Camden says:
Currently LOLing because this has been my experience EVERY SINGLE TIME I’VE GOOGLED A CON. What is it? Where is it? After 10 minutes on the con’s very own website I usually head over to Wikipedia.
February 1, 2016 — 11:52 AM
Marshall Ryan Maresca says:
You know you want to come to SomethingCon! It’s the biggest celebration of fandom in the area!
February 2, 2016 — 10:38 AM
AlmaAlexander says:
My mother’s prennial bleat: But what USE are they? Well, I can’t say that I go to a con and come back with a book contract. Doesn’t WORK that way. But I HAVE come away from a con having written a short story there which then sold to a decent anthology. I HAVE come away from a con having met another professional with whom a collaborative project emerged. I HAVE met a Hugo-award-winning artist at a con who ended up designing one of my book covers. I have met a number of people who didn’t know I existed before they wandered into a panel I was on and who came up to me afterwards to tell me that they weere going straight out to look up one of my books and which one did I suggest they “start with” (implying that they were intending to keep going once they finished that third one). I have met fans, made friends, come drained and left energized, and yes, it’s damned expensive and no I can’t really afford to go to that many – but DAMMIT this year I”m getting the opportunity of going to the Emerald City Comic Con and I”m GOING because I WANT TO and I CAN. it’s worth it, for me, Fiat.
January 31, 2016 — 8:13 PM
Sue says:
The only con I’ve been to is Balticon, first as a fan and as a guest the past couple of years. It’s my one vacation each year where I get to hang out with my favorite people. It’s my annual creative recharging and I wouldn’t miss it for the world. It has a wonderful writer programming track and an awesome new media track for podcasters and bloggers. And now that I’m a professional editor it makes a great business deduction as well as a fantastic place to meet and get to know potential clients.
A number of my friends also go to DragonCon and love it. Sadly, that’s currently beyond my reach economically.
January 31, 2016 — 8:15 PM
Miri says:
I know this may still be out of reach, but if you do get closer to being able to go in the future, definitely get your badge the previous year. It’ll save you about half the cost.
I hope you can make it one day! It’s been one of my favorites for a long, long time.
January 31, 2016 — 10:37 PM
Steve Miller says:
I can’t say enough for the generic idea of attending conventions as a genre pro. On the whole, i think it is a good idea as long as 1) you’re not going desperate — don’t go with the intention of paying next week’s rent with what you earn at the con! 2) you understand that at any convention you go to you’re not likely to be the final authority, best informed, or most likely to succeed on any topic except your own work.
Bring respect and patience with you and you’ll most likely leave the con enriched if not by immediate cash, by both experience and opportunity. I was recently at a convention, for example, where my 40 plus years in the community were being celebrated by some of my readers … and I also got a handshake from a gentleman who started going to conventions more than a dozen years before I was born. What a great feeling.
About the opportunity stuff. You really don’t know when a chance meeting or an off-hand discussion might grow into more. You may meet someone nearly as new in the field as you are — who will shortly become an editor or publisher or agent or convention runner — and who will recall your name. Pro-tip — carry business cards. It is not too old-fashioned to work. Pro-tip: dress neatly, be presentable — that conversation that gets started in the dealers room could end up with you going to lunch or dinner with your (new) professional peers. In my second or third convention I got invited along to dinner with Analog’s editor (Stan Schmidt) after he’d heard me talking after a panel to another panelist… Never *did* sell him a story, but I learned a lot just sitting there at the table.
So the rule is: go, have fun, learn, pay attention. Don’t be afraid to introduce yourself, but remember you’re among experts, and first impressions can go a long way for (or against) you.
January 31, 2016 — 8:18 PM
Terri says:
Last year was my writer con year. I’d been out of circulation for awhile because reasons and I went full out. It was fun. I don’t regret it. But, looking at the schedules for this year, I want to do other things. My one con will probably be the smallest – Murder and Mayhem in Milwaukee put on by the one and only Crimespree Magazine (Chuck, you should totally come, yes, you, should.) Overall, not expensive. Within (hard) driving distance and more like a big roving party full of the coolest people ever. Another is Writers Police Academy, but they moved it outside of (hard) driving distance and there may be a wedding that weekend (not mine thank gawd.)
I went to BCon last year and had the time of my life. The panels/signing was weird, but doable and I was there with a big social posse of friends. I can’t make BCon NOLA, but that’s too much for me. I want to go to NOLA. I want to go to BCon. I don’t want to have to juggle two cases of sensory overload. As far as I am concerned, my definition of a successful con would be in a suburban hotel-conference center with a good hotel bar, a casual restaurant, lots of free parking, easy access/egress, and not an enormous price tag. Negotiating these cons in the depths of downtown in a strange city is more expensive and stressful than it should be.
And, and this is a big And. The biggest AND. Conferences have to accept that self-publishing exists. Thrillerfest did it (sorta) with the ebook award. They give Anthonys for freaking everything. Would one for indie ebooks kill anyone? Same with panel assignments.
By the end of this year, I’ll be missing it (except that one, which can bite me) and probably hit the trail again in 2017. I made one of my best book friends at a teeny con in Houston and always end up with a fun stack of autographed books, new FB friends, and a couple of sales from everyone I attend.
January 31, 2016 — 8:27 PM
tracikenworth says:
I hope to go to these sometime in the future, but still way off for me right now. I’ll check into the festivals though!! Thanks for the suggestions!!
January 31, 2016 — 9:01 PM
angeliquejamail says:
I’ve been to a few writing conferences in general, but my favorite one — which I’ve been to three times before — is DFWCon in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. The agent- and editor-pitches are ten minutes long, one-on-one, and all the agents and editors are available during the Saturday night cocktail party specifically to be pitched to (for free). Also, there are typically healthy snacks and water/tea/coffee available in the hallways for you if you need them. The con staff are excellent people. The con is very affordable and typically has a nice hotel associated with it for a good discount. The classes and workshops usually serve a variety of skill and experience levels, too, so a writer with little experience can be happily blown away by the selection, but a writer who’s been doing this a while will still find some valuable benefit. Plus the networking: Texas is a friendly place.
January 31, 2016 — 9:46 PM
deborahleighwrites says:
My favorite Book Event is Los Angeles’s Festival of Books. I started going when there were just three people, and over the years, as I have watched the crowds swell, one thing has not changed: the people who attend are on the serious hunt for good stuff to read, and because many of them are “in the business,” their tastes run the gamut. As a native Angeleno, I don’t know if I can make it clear just how much there are only two degrees of separation between anybody and The Business. We all know, date, gave birth to, married, or divorced a gaffer, grip, sound guy, props dude, script supervisor, etc. The whole city is attached to The Business in a very Coal Mining Town, Monday thru Friday way. When you get those creative types distilled into the petri dish of the L.A. Book Fair, any topic or genre goes. Attendees are interested in every kind of book. It’s a great place to hand out bookmarks, postcards, flyers, etc. for your book and to pick up *fantastic* things to read and to hear about wacky readers clubs to join. (I’m not saying the folks in Boise, ID aren’t creative. Just saying that in a town where lots of folks pay bills making up stuff, the tide is perennially high on pushing the outer limits of creativity, hawking your wares, and finding esoteric stuff.)
And I couldn’t agree with Chuck more about social media being a semi-replacement for conferences. This space isn’t large enough for me to say all of what I’ve gotten–tangibly gotten–out of social spaces on the ‘Net, including this one. Edutainment abounds. Google “show vs. tell” to see what I mean.
January 31, 2016 — 10:19 PM
Miri says:
As much as I adore DragonCon (and had an awesome time at the Urban Fantasy vs. Horror panel you were on, Mr. Wendig–tell Cherie Priest hi and that I bought her book because she was there and awesome), the difficultly of 1. obtaining a hotel room in the first place and 2. finding your way around the damn thing definitely takes some getting used to. (Dragon was my first con when I was but a wee babe in a Ty Lee costume and I’m past the point of being wholly objective about it by now. I hope it will find a way to grow how it needs to grow.)
Fortunately, it caters to a specific type of nerd that will (occasionally) fight their way through three hotels connected by two hamster tubes and a busy intersection to get to the big, beautiful book stand in the middle of Dealer Hall L1. Eventually.
January 31, 2016 — 10:36 PM
Bobby Nash says:
Well said, Chuck. There are a lot of great points in here.
As an author, I work a lot of cons, festivals, conferences, and other word-related events of various sizes from the small college town show a couple weeks back to Dragon Con in Atlanta. I absolutely love them all for a variety of reasons. I love meeting new people, making friends (I’ve many close friends who I originally met at a con), learning new things (I second the diversity of panel topics. I was at a forensics panel that was eye-opening), shilling my books (yeah, yeah), and getting out of the house every now and again is nice.
Bobby
January 31, 2016 — 10:43 PM
Autumn says:
As a young writer that has always considered attending a gen-con but has yet to, this was a wonderful post to read beforehand. You covered a wide variety of topics that hit home *cough* anxiety *cough* money *cough*
More of that hydration for me, yeah?
The nerves about being at a con alone, nevertheless interacting at one, is definitely terrifying. But I love that you stressed the HUMAN connection before the business connection. I think that’s how it should be, anyway. Most times in this industry, I imagine, you have to at least like someone to work with them months on end.
Look forward to more great posts!
January 31, 2016 — 10:44 PM
Alice Bentley says:
Thank you for a great write-up about some of the great and terrible things that happen at conventions. I love them, as a fan, as a bookseller and as a creator (although it’s been years now since I’ve published or drawn anything).
I second the advice to let the booksellers know at least several weeks in advance if you’re going to an event, and which of your titles are available. For most of us though, if you’re self published or only on Amazon we’re not going to be able to accommodate you. It’s like feeding time at the shark tank trying to display all the books I want to bring anyway, so when I learn that an attending author’s books are only available at non-returnable retail cost, I have to pass on those. There are also SO MANY people now involved with self publishing that it’s become impossible to judge the books from afar.
January 31, 2016 — 11:33 PM
Clarissa says:
I *love* the Brian McClellan story! Genius.
My favorite cons are Gallifrey One and FOGcon. Gally has an amazing family feeling that extends to the guests, and it’s just … a wonderful experience, start to finish. FOGcon is great because it’s focused on writing and reading, and tons of Bay Area writers show up to it. I also appreciate its sort of obscure location in Walnut Creek; not everything has to be in SF or San Jose.
February 1, 2016 — 12:34 AM
Robin says:
Thank you for this.
It will be something to keep in mind when I’m fangirling at the next Con I attend!
February 1, 2016 — 12:45 AM
adeleulnais says:
Great post lots of points I hadnt thought about, thanks for posting.
February 1, 2016 — 5:34 AM
debblakeauthor says:
I write paranormal romance and urban fantasy and have been to RWA (the Romance Writers of America huge yearly con) three time–twice in NYC and once in D.C. When I was first starting out, it was a great place to take workshops that really made a difference in my writing, meet folks in the industry (agents/editors/authors I adored) and such. Now I mostly use it as a place to meet up with my agent, editor, and author friends I can’t see anywhere else, and I think the large costs and overwhelming energy may have made me decide to give it up entirely.
I went to my first World Fantasy Con last year (in Saratoga, NY–it moves around). Most folks who went to these often agreed it was badly run and organized, but I had a good time anyway. Again, for me it is mostly a chance to meet and/or hang out with authors I like. (I had dinner with Esther Friesner, Carol Berg, Lucienne Diver, Nancy Holzner and a couple of other folks…spent the who meal pinching myself for being in such good company. Well, and drinking, but you knew that.) Did I raise awareness of my books? I hope so. But that wasn’t why I went.
I’m also a fan of smaller local cons, which tend to be inexpensive and still reasonable fun. My “local” (an hour away from home) is RoberCon in Binghamton, NY. It’s fairly new and not that big, but last year we had the lovely Tamora Pierce as GOH and it was a blast.
I ended up going to three large cons and one small one last year, and this year it will probably be one medium-sized (Coastal Magic next week in Florida), and two small (Albacon and RoberCon). I find traveling exhausting and it really can be expensive, so I may end up alternating “on” years and “off” years.
February 1, 2016 — 8:13 AM
hccummings says:
I have two con in my Professional Writer schedule: Gen Con and ConQuesT. I also try to do local things around the holidays.
Gen Con is almost profitable for me. If I didn’t stay in a hotel downtown, it would be. Since I live 15 minutes from downtown Indianapolis, I have been working out the logistics of exhibiting at Gen Con and commuting. It has it own sets of challenges that staying downtown just doesn’t have, but if I can figure everything out, it will be my premier money maker for the year. I’ve applied to be part of the Writer’s Symposium this year, so hopefully I can get invited in and increase my exposure.
ConQuesT (a sci-fi/fantasy convention in Kansas City) was just like Gen Con, except scaled down. If I didn’t have a hotel bill, it would actually have been MORE profitable, because despite lower sales, overall expenses were lower. If I could think of topics that I could speak about confidently, I would definitely submit some here. Readings seem to be popular, but I did that at a signing and discovered that it is about a thousand miles away from my comfort zone. As a reader, listening to a writer read their book does nothing for me. As a writer, I don’t want to do it because I’m a writer, not a performer. Plus, I tend to read and speak fast and forcing myself to slow down is agonizing.
The little local shows can be profitable around Christmas, especially if you’re in a venue where the customers might feel books are good gifts. The Christmas Gift and Hobby Show I did at the state fairgrounds was crap, partially because the venue was terrible (and I need ADA-compliant facilities) and because they were overcharging for the space (I’m still not convinced I wasn’t a victim of a subletting scam there). The Christmas Bazaar I did at a local church was great. It was $35 for an afternoon and I sold twice that number in books. I didn’t have to invest in anything extra for that show; all my inventory was leftover from previous shows throughout the year.
This spring, I have been invited to a local Comic Con put on at a High School out in corn country. They wanted some local writers to rub shoulders with the comic book folks and the students doing cos-play. Sounds like fun, even if I don’t sell a lot of books. I’ll only be spending gas to drive an hour each way, and I have plenty of inventory from last year to sell. Maybe I’ll even dress up myself. Of course, I’ll have to make it clear that neither my Fallout cos-play nor my Star Trek cos-play has anything to do with any of my books. I don’t want anything to think I have an endorsement.
The important thing about conventions for me is getting my name out there. On a local level, I’m starting to run into people at these cons who say “Oh yeah, I think I’ve heard of you.” Whether that has anything to do with winning 3rd place in Nuvo’s Readers’ Choice Best of Indy – Best Local Author the last two years, or whether they bought my books in previous years, I don’t know. But, my audience IS growing. It’s slow, it takes time.
Fortunately, I have a day job that pays my bills until I start raking in that Phat Author Lewt*.
* Phat Author Lewt not guaranteed.
February 1, 2016 — 8:27 AM
terribleminds says:
I should note that exhibiting is not something this post covers — really because I haven’t done it and don’t have any good information on offer in that regard. (Though if you or anybody has any: share it!)
February 1, 2016 — 8:46 AM
hccummings says:
It’s another facet of Cons. I’m planning on writing a series of blog entries this year covering it.
I found the workshops and seminars at Gen Con’s Writer’s Symposium extremely helpful overall, especially the ones dealing with the business side of the indie life.
February 1, 2016 — 9:50 AM
Luther M. Siler says:
I attended two smaller Indianapolis cons this year as a vendor. I lost money at both, and I don’t care, because the experience of getting to talk to people about my books was worth it, and I made valuable contacts at both. That, and the first person who talked to me at the second con was a guy who had bought my books at the first, which was AWESOME. I even had a couple of people see on my blog that I was going to be there and came to the con to talk to me. Amazing feeling.
This year I’m doing at least two more, and they’re both much bigger– C2E2 in Chicago and IndyPopCon in Indianapolis, and I’m trying to get into Worldcon as a vendor too. I *might* do one of the two I did last year again, too, just to see what they’re like when I’ve seen the attendees. After this year, I’ll re-evaluate whether continuing to go is worth it; the good news is that both C2E2 and WorldCon are in towns where I know people so I don’t have to pay for a hotel.
I haven’t done a panel yet; I’m not well-known enough to be a draw for one, I think.
February 1, 2016 — 9:08 AM
binarynico says:
I attended as a civilian at Dragoncon 3x, then vendor for 7 years and last year, shifted to being on panels. My first Dragoncon panel: reading my work to a gathered crowd. Boy, talk about jumping in the deep end.
And it’s a MASSIVE event. We did win the hotel lottery, and we’ve done so for the last 10 years. Its exhausting work, but it’s good, for all the reasons listed. And terrible, for the financial hit. And then there’s always that one person who seems to seek out panellists, vendors and anyone there to entertain him, to get a scolding on why you suck. Upside; the liquor is abundant and you get more people who’ll say ‘i loved that piece!”
I’ve done smaller cons, and they’re fun and cozy too.
As it is, it’s only feb and I’m prepping for dragoncon already. And I don’t just mean costumes.
I’d like to do others but money being what it is, sort of makes me pick and choose. I’m only a small press.
(i’ll be happy to inside scoop people on being a vendor at large events. I dropped it because it’s just utterly exhausting)
February 1, 2016 — 9:22 AM
johnhartness says:
Heh heh – Bobby Nash saying he does a lot of cons is like me saying I drink a lot of Mountain Dew or Chuck saying he likes tacos. There might be an understatement there.
I’m definitely one of the “Please let me sell my own books!” guys. For one, I’m still a little fish, and booksellers, who I adore almost universally, aren’t going to mention me in their first breath to a customer. I am. Also, I can hand-sell books better than almost anyone I know – that’s what happens when you leave 20-year sales career to write fantasy books.
The thing I take away from most cons, and I recently did a post similar to this on Magical Words where I outline the costs of attending smaller cons, and the possibility of breaking even while selling your own books (spoiler – you can’t), is the creative recharge. I leave a convention wanting to write, and for those of us who live chained to these keyboards, that’s a really valuable service conventions, and fans, provide us. We live off YOUR enthusiasm. We’re like weird excitement vampires – we suck the enthusiasm out of you and use it to fuel our dark powers.
That’s why I do a lot of cons. I’m excited that this year will be my first year at BaltiCon, and I promise there will be cake in the Westin Bar at DragonCon this year. I promise. Now to find an Atlanta bakery that delivers…
February 1, 2016 — 9:30 AM
bobbynash says:
I do what I can, John Hartness. 🙂
February 1, 2016 — 10:09 AM
Ryan Colvert says:
I recommend ThrillerFest in NYC for anyone who writes thrillers. It’s true that hotels are expensive there, but it’s a conference that is easier for NYC-based agents and editors to make it to (which is a very, very good thing). The atmosphere of the conference is extremely collegial and supportive.
I’ve been to DragonCon many times. It’s certainly a lot of fun, but I got less value out of it as a writer.
February 1, 2016 — 9:32 AM
johnadamus says:
As an editor often on the outside looking in at the writer’s conventions, there’s a sense of not knowing where I fit in. I have no books to sell on hand, I just give good panels and interviews. But there are times it can be discouraging, I’m not well-known, I’m not super visible. Then I look at the prices of these conventions, in the middle triple digits usually, then look at my bank account and am forced to decide between paying bills on time and attending an event that may be fun and professionally beneficial, and may leave me exhausted and discouraged, like I’ve thrown money at a thing, done my best, and I still couldn’t break in or out or wherever people break.
This is before I even account for disability needs, which are equally exhausting and discouraging.
Wow, this is super complainy and maudlin isn’t it?
February 1, 2016 — 9:52 AM
terribleminds says:
The disability needs are a problem that some cons do well and some… well, don’t. (And they really must do them well. It shouldn’t be seen as a choice for them.)
In terms of editors, I will say: I’ve met quite a few copy-editors at cons, and it seems to be a very good place for them to pick up work. A fella like Richard Shealy (Shecky!) goes to a few and seems to come away reinvigorated with a slate of work, both with big publishers and also just with writers. So, it seems to balance out financially — though maybe he can talk more about that directly.
— c.
February 1, 2016 — 10:19 AM
Shecky (@SheckyX) says:
True to an extent, but a sizable chunk of that WHEE NEW PROJECT you see from me at cons is the uncanny ability of already-existing clients to ping me for a new project while I’m at cons (and it always seems to be a project my fan side wants to squee over!). The rest of it is a bit more nebulous; there are indirect ways my presence at a con can eventually produce work, but it’s sometimes hard to credit all of that to that one thing, y’know?
The P&L numbers are tough to nail down as regards con attendance, and that’s for someone who is *far* more likely to get more money as a result of it. I’ve had to make some hard choices this year; last year, I attended six cons, and the cost of those had a large impact on my finances for the year, so this year needs to be significantly more frugal (i.e., currently have only two cons scheduled, and one of those coincides with being in an area where I have some good friends I’ve needed to visit for a long time).
Anyway, yeah, con-going has averaged out to be productive, but that really only goes so far until cost outweighs profit, as mercenary as that sounds. And that bugs me, because I personally enjoy the hell out of most cons (i.e., the people attending them, BarCon, chance chats in the halls, etc.). But there it is. Going to cons, in the end, is a gamble. I don’t mean that it’s necessarily a bad thing, mind; it is, to borrow a term from the bidness world, an unsure return on investment that you can’t nail down until after the fact. In other words: a gamble. A *good* gamble, to be sure, but a gamble all the same. In the end, the question of whether the cost is worth it is an INCREDIBLY personal question that cannot be answered the same way from person to person…or even from year to year for the same person.
In short, I think people who decide in *either* direction have much merit to their position.
February 1, 2016 — 11:27 AM
theresaderwinTheresa says:
Excellent piece Chuck. I’m organising my third con Andromeda 2 this Sept and also am disabled so hopefully will meet the majority of accessibility needs. My fave British cons are Fantasycon and Edge Lit, both this year being chaired by Alex Davis
February 1, 2016 — 11:01 AM
S.M. Carrière says:
Can-Con in Ottawa, Canada is a lovely con. It’s small, but the panels are excellent, and I’ve never not had a good time there.
February 1, 2016 — 11:39 AM
Cathy Mullican says:
Speaking for the smaller fan-run cons:
Anti-harassment policies: Absolutely agree, and they’re spreading
Accessibility: Critical, and most of us do what we can. Sometimes the only facility we can get is older and imperfect. The way to get a better one is for the con to grow enough to appeal to other properties. If there’s a problem without an obvious solution, talk to the conrunners. Some solutions, like ASL / CART are really expensive, and the con won’t prioritize them unless there’s a known request.
Comping: Most cons I know, unless they’re just getting started, do comp membership for program participants. We can’t afford to comp travel, meals, and hotel for all the program participants, but in some places, you can get a pretty good meal for free in the con suite. (Other places, it’s just snacks, and I went to one con where they were selling food there, but it’s at least worth checking out.) The Guest(s) of Honor get(s) travel, hotel, and meals.
Books: If you want the book sellers to have your books, commit to attending as early as possible. The con has to tell them who’s coming in time for them to order and process the inventory. It helps us plan programming, too, so we don’t have to squeeze you in at the last minute, when there might not be an appropriate spot.
If you can stay in the convention hotel(s), please do, even with roommates. The basic economics of con running are “If you let us use these meeting rooms, we promise to sell this many sleeping rooms”. Using convention resources – including taking advantage of the convention bringing people together – without contributing to the community through a con membership and / or hotel room hurts the con, and reduces the chance it will be there next year. Obviously, we don’t expect every single person to get a hotel room, but hanging out without a membership is really rude. Please don’t encourage that, at least at smaller cons. (Dragon*con will likely neither notice nor care.)
Water: Generally in the contract; if it isn’t there when it should be, send someone to notify Program Operations, or to ask any staff member they can find to do so.
Moderators: The only thing worse than no mod is a bad (unwilling, unqualified, unskilled) mod. The one time I ran program, I realized too late that the “Are you willing to moderate?” question had been disabled on the questionnaire – I could see it, the panelists couldn’t. Last minute scramble, and I didn’t get someone for every panel.
February 1, 2016 — 12:12 PM
Cherise Kelley says:
CART will be less expensive when Speech to Text apps improve to the point of including punctuation. They are very nearly there. For now, an average-speed volunteer typist should be able to punctuate text as the program creates it, and a volunteer tech person should be able to hook up the microphones to the computer and the computer to a projector.
February 1, 2016 — 1:48 PM
Cathy Mullican says:
But having a volunteer and appropriate tech available is still a cost in time / money / people points. It’s not an insurmountable cost, but having someone actually ask for it helps the con know to prioritize it.
February 1, 2016 — 2:34 PM
monica zwikstra says:
When Words Collide in Calgary, Canada. It’s the best. 🙂 It’s not so big that you get lost.(max 650 people) its friendly and has lots of good panels and workshops. Three days of writers, editors, and publishers all in one place. it sells out quick so best book early. 🙂
February 1, 2016 — 12:12 PM
Mark Finn says:
Texas has a great fanbase, and the Dallas Fort Worth area is lousy with great, focused shows. ConDFW is an up-and-coming convention that focuses on the written word. FenCon is less serious but manages to pull in good guests. The staffs kind of overlap, and are all friendlier than Emperor Penguins. In Austin, ArmadilloCon is a great con for writers to attend, and their Writer’s Workshop is a strong program with great guest instructors. Lots of talent came out of those sessions.
I have only been to one WorldCon, and I don’t remember much of is, as I was literally festooned with programming the whole time (San Antonio, a few years ago). Pretty sure that’s where we met.
As for World Fantasy Con, it is, I think, essential if you want to get a snapshot of what the F/SF professional community looks like. Everyone there is pretty accessible and also very willing to let you buy them drinks. Provided you focus on being a mensch, and not a schmuck, you can make some good contacts there that will serve you in good stead.
I think that the bigger, more diverse a show is, the more difficult it is for beginning and midlist authors to get any traction. Your local show set-up–table, books, a freebie or two, etc. will be vastly diluted at San Diego or Emerald City, lost in the sea of other folks trying to do the same thing. It’s different if you get invited as a guest, or have prominent programming. But if you’re trying to nose in, the smaller shows will yield more and better results.
Also, and this is critical for writers who can also read: if you can get a reading, get a reading. THAT you can promote and massage and turn into a focused thing. I am a good reader, especially of my own stuff, and more than once, I’ve had a room full of people mob me or the bookseller in charge of my wares after a successful reading. Obviously, this only works if you’re not a monotone reader and can put a little oomph on it. But readings are, typically, a captive audience for 30 minutes–plenty of time to sell yourself as a real fun person, and also to showcase your writing.
February 1, 2016 — 12:31 PM
keruin says:
I’ll attend my first conference this year – ThrillerFest in NYC – on the advice of an editor who’s more plugged in to this world than I. Hanging out for various days with these topics and people and panels and everything – it sounds so mind-expanding and exhausting. I can’t wait till July. Reading through these posts I realize what a babe in the woods I am.
Also, reading through these posts, I completely forgot what it was I had to tell Chuck after reading a few of his blog posts. It was something like *SNORT* or ” I think you grok my mojo.”
February 1, 2016 — 12:43 PM
Michael J. Martinez says:
I went to my first con in 2013. And I’ve hit roughly 2-3 a year since, which is more than some and less than many of my peers. But then, I have a day job in addition to this authorial-windmill-tilting-thing.
I don’t HAVE to go. I’ve seen sales spikes after each one, but certainly not to the point where my attendance was covered, even with the tax write-offs. But each time I go, I get a few more people interested in what I write, and a few of them tell others, and a few tell others, etc. And that’s awesome.
Last con I went to, someone came up to me, randomly, to say they loved my books. Last bookstore thing I did, someone was so upset that they missed my reading that the basically ask the store to call me and come back to sign the book she left. (And, hell yes, I did!)
That’s writer-fuel that can carry me through an entire freakin’ series.
And then I get to talk shop with great people and make awesome friends, many of whom are writers whose books I’ve enjoyed greatly as a fan. I’ve felt welcomed into the tribe, both as a fan and as an author. I get to see Chuck giggle after a few too many drinks. It does not suck.
So yeah, I’ll keep going. For a few days, I can fully immerse myself in being an author, geek out with friends and fans, sign some books and tank-up on writer fuel.
February 1, 2016 — 1:18 PM
terribleminds says:
“So yeah, I’ll keep going. For a few days, I can fully immerse myself in being an author, geek out with friends and fans, sign some books and tank-up on writer fuel.”
^^^
all that.
February 1, 2016 — 1:28 PM
Michael J. Martinez says:
AND SCOTCH.
February 1, 2016 — 1:31 PM
terribleminds says:
AND BEER
February 1, 2016 — 1:33 PM
Kirsten Mah says:
I’ve only ever attended the Surrey International Writer’s Conference, but as it’s within driving distance of my house, it’s affordable and always invigorates me. The first time I attended, as a neophyte writer, everyone was really friendly and welcoming. The community gave me the courage to call myself “writer”.It also appears to hit many of your pros Chuck, so yeah me!
I’d love to run into the guy with the cake!
February 1, 2016 — 2:33 PM
terribleminds says:
Surrey was a most excellent conference. Great programming, so friendly, a strong commitment to writers at every level — really a home run of a conference. I just wish it weren’t eleventy billion miles away! I also wish they’d invite me back because I’d do that con again in a heartbeat. 🙂
February 1, 2016 — 2:34 PM
jmh says:
Surrey is awesome! I love that conference so much. And I got to meet the Wendig there…win-win.
February 1, 2016 — 11:49 PM
Chris Hensley says:
So I come at this issue from the other side. I have been involved in running conventions in size ranging from a couple of hundred to the tens of thousands. There are two comments I would like to make.
1) Some of the bigger media conventions are about ‘running an event’, but those are the exceptions. Most conventions are about building and celebrating a community. The guests I am looking for, pro or otherwise, are people who engage with the community. Someone who spends their entire weekend on promoting their work, networking and hiding in the green room is someone I won’t invite back.
2) Bar Con. Don’t. Please. I will be blunt and admit that part of it is the money issue. Dragon*Con may be a for-profit entity, but most cons aren’t including San Diego Comic Con. The money to operate the con, to fund that space for the community to come together, comes from selling memberships. Bar Con benefits from the presence of a gathering of the community without giving anything back to that community in terms of money or labor. It is leeching. If enough people do it there is no con. There is another issue with Bar Con. You state in your post that you want a place that is free of harassment. I am in full agreement with you there. Everybody, pro or not, should be secure in their person. Bar Con hamstrings any attempt to create a harassment free environment.
February 1, 2016 — 3:50 PM
janinmi says:
It’s been several years (around 2006–not years, *the* year, my brain is gone again …), but I had great fun at both Wiscon (Madison, WI, Memorial Day or earlier) and Penguicon (southern Michigan, either in Detroit subs or westerly from there in a town whose name escapes me at the moment, in April), and I went alone both times (I live in NW LP MI). Wiscon was an easy trip because I took the faster of the two ferries across Lake Michigan and drove. Penguicon’s location in Troy, MI that year allowed me to stay with my brother and sis-in-law and I drove down for that, too.
Wiscon is what you make of it; I went to get some feminist fun time, meet a few online friends and hear some panels, and had no problems. Penguicon is just fun; there’s usually a vast gaming room (all manner of games there) with a publicly built, mouse-trap-style construct, a masquerade, dance, lotsa panels, and for all the Linux fen, dozens of panels and suchlike (hence the name of the con; a penguin is the Linux mascot). It also had am amazing hospitality suite with food demos and nearly every possible snacking comestible imaginable. I dearly wish to attend again.
Wiscon was more expense, given hotel and travel distance, but planning does, indeed, make it possible. I’d love to go back there, too. Thus ends the tale of my con experiences.
February 1, 2016 — 6:24 PM
Paul Dale Anderson says:
Superb post, Chuck. 2016 will be the last year I run the full con circuit, including panels and autographings at Odyssey Con, World Horror Con, Stokercon, Wiscon, ThrillerFest, MidAmericonII (Worldcon), Bouchercon, Windycon, and World Fantasy Con. I’ve also done Confusion and Dragoncon in the past. But I’m getting too old to enjoy travel, find too few pro writers and editors hang out in the smoking room these days, and I no longer drink alcohol. I do intend to visit regional Midwestern cons in smaller cities at smaller hotels, but I won’t do the whole circuit and I won’t do panels or signings. I’d much rather stay home and write.
February 1, 2016 — 7:03 PM
theliz13 says:
I’ve only done cons as an attendee, not a pro, but I’m still picky. I don’t travel, I have kids and precious little funds. So my experience with Cons has been limited to the ones I’ve done in Colorado.
I lean toward cons with a good representation of authors/subjects I like, reasonable rates, and nothing so huge that the whole space is totally overrun.
I did MileHiCon in 2009, and that was a lot of fun. There were a lot of star trek elements, art gallery, and the authors invited did signings beside a massive tower of books for sale.
I bar conned at PPWC in 2014 and the decor was fantastic, the writers were all social and fun, and I was able to eavesdrop on the speeches at dinner, which was a treat bc I got to hear from authors I’d not been exposed to before.
This year I’m heading out to Anomaly Con, March 25-27 in Denver. https://www.anomalycon.com/
Partly bc I heard this crazy bearded Wendigo was going to be there. But also bc the panels look really fun and interesting, their policies on harassment and accessibility are clear cut and fair, and the steampunk elements look like a lot of fun.
Also relevant to MY interests this year they have a whole bunch of panels about including diversity and representation in fiction. 🙂 https://www.anomalycon.com/node/252
I’m hoping it’s awesome! I might even get to come for more than one day! Which would be a big accomplishment for me.
February 1, 2016 — 7:05 PM
Thom Marrion says:
I love Norwescon because it’s local, so the hotel isn’t a required expense (though lots of local folk do it anyway, because maximum connage and room parties and what not). The Pacific Northwest has a metric shit ton of genre writers, so there are all sorts of everybody there. The guests have been pretty impressive as well, George R.R. Martin was there last year and Michael Moorcock the year before.
It’s where I first heard of Jay Lake and got to see how ridiculously funny he was. Hooray for being exposed to new writers just by going to a panel.
They hold the Philip K Dick awards there, which often have the authors themselves coming to read their nominated work and it is a very rare year that there isn’t at least one piece I hadn’t heard of before that blows me away and must be consumed by my reading holes that very weekend.
Also, it’s been a tradition for a few years now that my writing group gets together for dinner the next night, either Thai food or hotel chow or just bar con, even the ones not actually going to the con, s that’s always nice.
February 1, 2016 — 7:47 PM
Jennifer Gray says:
I regularly attend Niagara Falls ComiCon – new, growing, fun, but very much commercial,
FanExpo in Toronto – huge con, one of the biggest. Lots of fun, attracts big name celebrities, but again very commercial,
and Anime North in Toronto – fan-run, anime oriented, tons of awesome cosplay.
I go only as a fan. I attend panels, collect autographs, buy merch, stare at celebs, etc.
I’d love to see you at FanExpo Chuck. There is always a large Star Wars component to the con – actors from the movies, merch – including books, and the 501st imperial legion. I think you’d fit in well.
And of course I’d get to fangirl all over you! JK, but I would buy an autographed book.
February 1, 2016 — 9:23 PM
goryrodden says:
I really appreciated this as an aspiring author. I’m in college and can barely afford my trips home for holidays, let along tickets or passes to any sort of convention or conference right now. There are plenty of writing conferences I would like to go to but it’s also hard when you are low on funds and time. Having it reiterated that it is not necessary to make all sorts of connections and know the right person to get to the top is reassuring. As writers our work should speak for itself; we shouldn’t have to rely on connections or happening to meet the right people in the right place at the right time.
February 2, 2016 — 1:49 AM
T.K. Eldridge says:
Only decent Con I ever went to was Norwescon in Washington state – and I had the unbridled pleasure of spending some time speaking with Adrian Paul over an early dinner. I was a volunteer at the con and slipped in to watch the Highlander Choreography panel and ended up speaking with Mr. Paul. A charming and intelligent man who treated everyone well. Overall a great experience, but yes – the crush of people was intense and could get overwhelming.
February 2, 2016 — 1:58 AM
S. Usher Evans says:
I’ve done about 20 different conventions since I started my business in 2014. There’s good cons and there’s bad cons and it all depends on what you’re trying to do.
For unpublished writers, literary cons like WorldCon and such are great places for exposure–if you’re willing to get out at night and party hardy. From my vantage point in my booth, I saw about 20 people walking the floor–but I saw hundreds out at night.
For published writers with mortgages (hem hem), the better cons for your buck are the straight-up comicons. I’m talking Indy Comicon, AwesomeCon in DC, MegaCon in Orlando. Or any city in the US, you can find a comicon. Pay anywhere from 50-300 for a table (and if you’re paying more than $200, take a good LONG look at the guest list and see if you recognize anyone), get your books, and get to selling.
I actually ginned up a post a few months ago about what I’ve learned doing conventions. Convention-al Wisdom
February 2, 2016 — 10:41 AM
Donald Maass says:
Chuck- I’ve been going to cons and conferences for 35 years. For an agent like me, and authors too I believe, I don’t think it’s useful to look at them as a dollar-for-dollar, how-will-I-make-money-from-this proposition. Cons are an investment in one’s career but one in which the rewards are largely intangible.
The best reason to go is that they can make you a better informed and more connected member of the writing community. They can make you a better writer, too. Pitching, anthology invitations, book contracts and such do happen. I sometimes meet writers to represent. But I mostly go to give. That’s what gives me the most back.
February 2, 2016 — 10:43 AM