The idea of writing a “strong female character” isn’t enough.
As shorthand, it sounds noble. It seems spot on. But a lot of writers — and writing advice about the subject — seem to get it wrong. I get asked about this a lot, I guess because write women or girl characters like Miriam Black or Atlanta Burns who, on paper, kick a lot of ass.
And that is often the focus of the question — they’re characters who can fight, scrap, throw a punch, fire a gun, and that seems to end up the focus of the question. It’s where the buck stops. But for me, that’s never where it begins. It’s not even what makes them who they are.
Instead of writing “strong female characters,” try to aim for “women or girls that possess agency.” I’ve defined agency before and so I’ll repeat that definition here:
Character agency is… a demonstration of the character’s ability to make decisions and affect the story. This character has motivations all her own. She is active more than she is reactive. She pushes on the plot more than the plot pushes on her. Even better, the plot exists as a direct result of the character’s actions.
Strong is a word with an often male connotation — it carries with it a lot of baggage. And what we end up with are female characters who are physically strong and little else. Meaning, they can fight, scrap, throw punches, fire guns.
But their ability to fight isn’t what makes them interesting.
What makes them interesting is that they choose to fight.
And it’s that word — “choose” — that matters.
We focus so much on their Powers, we forget about empowering them with the ability to choose, to have wants and needs and to make decisions based on those things. (You know, like real people do.) We think of Abilities and Skills like they’re stats on a character sheet rather than thinking about what abilities women possess inside the story to affect that story. We think of Powers like She Can Fly or She Knows Kung Fu or She Has Mastered The Ancient Art Of Laser Kegels when we should be focusing on the character’s internal power, her narrative power to push on the story, to be a well-rounded human being, no matter how vulnerable, no matter how strong.
Look at it this way: video game characters are notoriously without agency largely by design. The technology of a game doesn’t allow for a great deal of free-range character choice — in Halo, I can’t take my character outside the mission boundaries. In Tomb Raider I can’t say, “I want Lara Croft to leave this life of horrific blood-soaked spelunking to become a well-paid, respected accountant,” because she’s not my character. I only inhabit her and can only inhabit that character insofar as the technology allows, but the illusion is enough inside a video game for the most part because it feels active — video games are very good at lending you the illusion of choice, making you feel like, because you can choose a bow or a gun or because you can go down the left passage instead of the right, you have agency in the world.
But you’re not writing a video game character.
The illusion of choice is not enough.
The physical, violent strength of the character is not a meaningful metric.
Many “strong female characters” feel like something ripped out of a video game. Or worse, they feel like toys — objects that look tough, hold guns, wield swords, have karate-chop arms, but are ultimately plastic, posable action figures. Empty and maneuverable, they go where you tell them to go because they’re just devices.
Alison Bechdel coined the Bechdel Test, which asks if the story (or an overall body of storytelling) features at least two women who talk about something other than a man.
Gail Simone talks about the “Women in Refrigerators” problem, where women and girls inside comic books are used as fodder — raped, killed, or otherwise excised of power through violence (and often to make a male character feel something). The only power these women have in the story is to be damaged enough to motivate the story or the male characters in it.
Kelly Sue DeConnick talks about the “Sexy Lamp” test, which says, if you can replace the woman in the story with a sexy lamp and it doesn’t affect the story outcome, well, fuck you, that’s what.
It’s no surprise that these three amazing writers come out of comic books, where women superheroes are often hyper-sexualized and contextualized as objects — and you’ll note that’s the theme that runs through these three tests, and what I’m getting at here. Women in fiction are often presented as objects. They’re pieces to move around a chess board. They’re toys and devices and objects of lust and precious treasures to save and mirrors to reflect ManPain and things to break so that ManTears happen. They’re sexy lamps, cold corpses, and singular creatures who only exist in relation to the male characters around them. And we need to test against this.
(This is ostensibly why we see a lot of pushback against a story like Twilight or its sexualized fan-fic reiteration, 50 Shades of Grey — it’s because of the toxicity that results when your women and girl protagonists are given almost no agency within the stories themselves. They’re just pretty dolls floating down river, picked up by men who find them fetching.)
Thing is, we often expect that we’re undercutting this objectification by making the characters “strong, kick-ass female characters,” but what happens is:
Forget about kicking ass.
That’s not the metric you need to worry about.
The only ass that your female character need to kick is the ass of the story — that’s the power you want to give them. The power of agency. They can be sexy and sexual without being sexualized or objectified. They can kick ass or not kick ass or have Power or Not Have Powers as long as you elevate them above mere action figures (“Look how poseable she is when she does her sexy high-kicks!”) They can be vulnerable or flawed or unlikeable as long as you treat them like real people, not like video game characters or a list of abilities or dolls or lamps or The Reason That Dude Does The Thing He’s Meant To Do. They’re not proxies, they’re not mannequins, they’re not mirrors, they’re not Walking Talking FleshLights, they’re not princesses in towers waiting to be saved, they’re not emotionless ass-kicking chicks who still don’t kick as much ass as the hero. I’d even argue that calling them “female characters” has its problems because it sounds clinical, distant, a characteristic, a check box, a footnote.
Think of them as women or as girls.
Think of them as people.
Then give them agency within your story, within its world, and equal to the other characters.
So endeth my rant.
And now I ask you:
Who are some of your favorite women and girls in fiction (books, comics, film, TV, what-have-you) that possess agency? Drop in the comments and sound off. Offer your thoughts, too — am I getting this wrong? This feels right to me, but happy as always to discuss. Just be polite, because the SPAM OUBLIETTE awaits those who act as dire shitbirds.
Erin Skelly says:
I’m a big fan of Rachel Morgan from The Hollows series. She’s kick-ass, has a lot of agency, but is also real and has a lot of flaws. She grows and changes throughout the series, but even by the end, she’s still not perfect.
February 16, 2015 — 2:30 PM
Chelle says:
Loved/Hated Rachel. Every time she whined I wanted to smack her. Did she have a right to whine? Hell yes, did it make me not to want to smack her? No, I wanted to smack her. Do I feel bad for it? Sometimes, but not always. (Yes, I’m complicated. :/ )
February 17, 2015 — 11:46 AM
Kat says:
The females of the ElfQuest universe (http://elfquest.com/gallery/OnlineComics/digitalEQ.html). Pretty much all of them. Even starting in the 70s with 70s morality, even with the rocky start where the women hide while the men fight (quickly reversed AND explained away extremely reasonably) and with a beginning story arc where two men essentially fight over a girl as a prize, the female characters were always strong. The “prize” was having none of it and very firmly had her own mind about things, and every woman portrayed had their own weaknesses and strengths. ElfQuest was quite possibly my first exposure to women done right in a story where they shared the spotlight with strong men.
February 16, 2015 — 2:31 PM
Layla Lawlor says:
Yeah, Elfquest was a formative influence on me back in my ’80s childhood. The first story arc is rather … um … its pulp roots are definitely showing, but all the groundwork was still there for the subsequent fleshing out of the female cast members, and it was definitely as welcoming to female fans as to male ones, which was rare in comics of the time. Looking back on it now, the way most of the female characters were handled still feels very contemporary and not at all dated to me (not to mention the characters’ canonical bisexuality/polyamory, although this was hinted more than shown, in general).
February 16, 2015 — 3:52 PM
birdonabird says:
I second this. ElfQuest writes GREAT women.
February 16, 2015 — 7:41 PM
kamackinnon says:
This is a little nit-picky, but I just wanted to specify that in the Bechtel test the women need to talk TO EACH OTHER about something other than a man. I’m pretty sure that’s what you were implying, but I think it’s worth mentioning. It’s staggering the number of movies that fail that particular test.
I’m going to swallow my rant about the fact that in this day and age we still need to specify that women = people, that it’s not, in fact, taken for granted, and move right along to second (third? fourth?) Ellen Ripley as a great example of a female character. Yes, she’s smart and she kicks some ass, but she’s also a lot of other things. (I’m thinking, here, about ‘Aliens’ in particular.) She’s a mother grieving the loss of her own child and taking care of someone else’s. She’s a civilian out of her depth. She’s terrified for most of the movie. (One of the neat things about the mess that was Alien: Resurrection was getting to see a Ripley that *wasn’t* terrified.) And she has agency. Can we have more like her, please?
February 16, 2015 — 2:39 PM
Becky Black says:
I think the first time we really see what Ripley’s made of is in Alien when she refused to let Dallas, Lambert and the face-hugger-enhanced Kane back aboard the ship – as per the rules when, you know,one of the crew has an alien attached to his face. She sticks to her guns, whatever they say, and she looks like a stone cold bitch doing it, but she was in the right. If a certain someone hadn’t opened the airlock anyway, the whole story would have gone differently. I always think that’s the moment we first see that Ripley’s got balls. She was ready to sacrifice the three outside to keep the rest of the crew safe. That’s strength, to make those hard choices.
February 16, 2015 — 2:54 PM
Natalie says:
She does not “have balls”. You do not need testicles to be strong-willed or whatever it is you want to say about Ripley. If she had not “stuck to her guns” (I’m guessing you’re American) would you say it’s because she was too girly/a pussy? Because that’s what girls are like? I think you are kind of missing the point.
February 16, 2015 — 9:25 PM
Matthew W. Quinn says:
She’s speaking metaphorically and you’re the one missing the point by “majoring in the minors” (and taking shots at the U.S. while you’re at it).
February 17, 2015 — 10:07 AM
Natalie says:
I totally agree that I shouldn’t have insulted Americans like that in response to this comment. My apologies. But I stand by my disagreeing with this metaphor that reinforces the idea that women have to be like men to be strong. By (metaphorically) having balls. Just like a man. Yay for being like a man. I have no idea what “majoring in the minors” means so I can’t respond to that.
February 18, 2015 — 4:25 AM
Matthew W. Quinn says:
Replying to this post because I can’t reply to your reply to me for some reason. Hopefully you’ll still see it.
Re: the American bit, no big.
Re: “majoring in the minors,” I think it’s either from baseball or academia and means to focus on the little things to the exclusion of more important things.
Re: being like a man, I suppose being a hard@$$ is more stereotypically masculine. However, this is where we get into gender essentialism (sp?) I suppose. Is being a hard@$$ intrinsically male or has our culture associated being hard@$$ with masculinity?
(To cite THE HUNGER GAMES, Katniss, who hunts to provide for her minor sister and mentally ill mother, is more “masculine” than Peeta, who is into painting and baking. However, neither identifies as something other than their biological sex.)
That said, I agree with your point that strength =/= being a hard@$$. I’ve got a character in one of my finished-but-not-sold projects who was taken as a concubine by the warlord who defeated and killed her family. She hasn’t tried to kill him and escape (more stereotypically “masculine” and something that would probably get her killed), but she hasn’t turned into a brain-dead groupie of the man either (no Stockholm Syndrome here). Instead she’s isolated herself from the petty intriguing of his harem and raised their kid with the proper values as best she can. There’s strength there, even if it isn’t the same “masculine” kind as carving through waves of baddies with a broadsword.
(However, not everybody will agree with that–I got accused by a female member of my writing group of creating a “princess in a tower” character sitting around waiting to be rescued, a criticism I do not think is accurate.)
http://accordingtoquinn.blogspot.com/2013/06/on-developing-character-without-much.html
That’s a blog post I wrote on that issue that I also tie in with Sansa Stark in ASOIAF (more “girly” than Arya, who seems to be a fan favorite on the “strong female” issue), who’s in a similar situation.
February 18, 2015 — 9:26 AM
Terri says:
I was worried about that in my book. It seemed at times that the male lead was over-shadowing her. She kicks ass with her shotgun and takes names, but in partnership with the male lead. She is also severely physically and emotionally injured, but as part of the plot, not as motivation for another character. She also has to deal with a lot of sexist bullshit as the story goes along. The reviews have loved her, so I must have done something right.
My fav female pop culture characters run to Captain Janeway in Voyager, Dana Scully, Zoe in Firefly.
Do no harm . . . TAKE NO SHIT.
In books I like early Kay Scarpetta, but her neurosis got old and her beauty and talents got too Mary Sue.
Mary Sue a character and I will end you (Well, okay, I will quit reading your book which for writers is kind of the same.)
Not just sucking up, I do like Miriam Black. She is such a miserable character and the way the book responds to her feels real. Not once does the book forget she is a she, violence and situations often have a sexual bent (the roomie who gets pissy when she won’t fuck him.) That is realistic. That is how men insult women. When my pair, undercover, meets a bad guy, one of the first things he says is, “Congratulations Mr. Price on breaching the gate. We thought she had it welded shut.” Sexual, sexist, abrasive, asshole, and the kind of insult a bad guy would lob at a woman. What is important is how my two respond to it.
I like Katniss in Hunger Games, but was sick and fed up with her whining (albeit justified) by the third book. Triss in Divergent still has my attention. These are both real.
As usual, you hit it on the head. “Strong” female characters doesn’t mean leather pants and stilettos. It means characters who approach problems (often in a uniquely female way – which does include sex appeal) and then make those problems their bitch through brains, teamwork, training, experience. You know, all the same ways men do.
And brains, teamwork, and experience does not require enormous boobs and flowing flaxen/titian/raven locks with piercing emerald/sapphire/agate/obsidian eyes. There are other ways to infer beauty. Boo to the Mary Sue!
Great post! Terri
February 16, 2015 — 2:42 PM
Selu says:
Say what you will about Gillian Flynn’s Amy Dunne, but she does not let the plot carry her – she carries the plot and then some. 90% of Flynn’s characters do and that’s why I love them regardless of their morality or likeability.
February 16, 2015 — 2:46 PM
Maya Langston says:
Very true. I’ve only read Gone Girl and Dark Places, but I also like that her female leads are pretty unlikeable. Libby could have easily become a tragic, ‘poor me’ heroine (like Krissy, who I truly felt bad for, all things considered). Instead she’s truly not a good person. She feels entitled to be ‘taken care of’, has no guilt about using her tragedy to get money and she terrorized her aunt when she was living with her, all quite believable for the trauma she’s endured. And yet, we still root for her, because deep down inside, she wants to do the right thing and hey, she’s had a messed up life.
February 16, 2015 — 3:03 PM
Laura Roberts says:
Good call, Amy Dunne is a legit psycho, but definitely qualifies as “strong” if we are pushing the “has agency” button.
February 16, 2015 — 11:37 PM
anonymous says:
I dunno about “agency” but in the first two Parasite Eve games, Aya Brea is generally a strong female character. In the first she’s reluctant to do the job of fighting a revolting cellular stand-by to stop the extinction of the human race, but she’s the only one that can so she has to buck-up and do it.
In the second one she fights the creatures that are coming west from New York/east coast and finds a lab that is apparently cloning her to… whatever. Square didn’t really elaborate on that point (and ignored it in PE3… which we don’t talk about. Oh how I wish there was a PE3…).
Point is, she’s thrown into horror situations but has to make the best she can with her cellular powers that allow her to throw fireballs at monsters while also feeling like an outcast due to said cellular powers that fought against said cellular powers “sister” that wanted to destroy the world in the past.
I’d also throw in Jill Valentine and Claire Redfield in the Biohazard/Resident Evil series. They’re both characters that have to go through biohazardious outbreaks with zombies and evolved frogs/mutated creatures like the lickers and Tyrants to survive. Though the problem with them is that the scenario writers don’t really give an illusion of them being “strong” as far as outside-the-story story-lines go. They’re (previously) Delta-force or a civilian woman that has to fight for their lives.
February 16, 2015 — 2:54 PM
grokdad says:
a thousand percent this.
February 16, 2015 — 3:10 PM
Maya Langston says:
My favorite female characters with agency have to come from the Good Wife. Diane Lockhart, who built Lockhart/Gardener from the ground up in a heavily male dominated field. And she’s gorgeous, fashionable and maternal. And a barracuda. She has no problem manipulating people to get what she wants. Alicia, who went from the embarrassed, clueless housewife turned high powered attorney. People always assume she’s weaker than she is, and she uses that to her advantage. Her love life was complicated as hell. Kolinda is bi, with a messy love life as well. She’s someone I Want in my corner though. She’s tough, yet sensual, but also vulnerable. She’s scared to death of two people: her toxic ex husband and Lemond Bishop, the vicious drug dealer that never gets caught.
I also like Cersei from Game of Thrones as a character, not as a person, lol. I think she’s very well developed.
February 16, 2015 — 3:16 PM
Erika says:
Gotta add to the Buffy love. I just watched the whole series over again. Love, love, love Buffy.
February 16, 2015 — 3:27 PM
Dana says:
Buffy for sure! Love her as well.
February 16, 2015 — 8:42 PM
Janice Grinyer says:
I read this, including comments, with great interest. Thank you for bringing up a topic that warrants discussion!
February 16, 2015 — 3:33 PM
Olivia says:
Right now the first woman I think of is Annalise on How to Get Away with Murder — she may be the first primetime female antihero I can think of…and she’s amazing. The only thing harder than getting strong female protagonists is finding a way to make female antiheroes AND getting an audience to respond to them without namecalling/hatred (Breaking Bad & Skyler come to mind)
February 16, 2015 — 3:33 PM
Kaidan says:
I’m going to harken back to ye olden literature: Hera in the Iliad. She plays a sexual role, but it is a conscious sexual role. She uses the fact of her sexiness to make the male gods do what she wants. She bangs Zeus so Poseidon can rain down some major hurt and further HER agenda. Athena is the same way; she makes decisions that fuck over and rise up different characters at different points in the story, and it makes for a wild ride.
What really sucks is that I’m blanking on more current examples. I’d like to vouch for Mother Abagail in Stephen King’s ‘The Stand,’ but despite the incredible importance of her role, she’s one of the only female characters (there’s Fran, of course, and Rita, who *spoilers* bites it less than a third of the way into the book). ‘Song of Ice and Fire’ actually does a really good job of packing in female characters with motives and agency up the wazoo; like fucking Melissandre. FEAR that woman. And Cersei! And Arya, I suppose, who kicks lots of ass but doesn’t seem to have any real goals or motivations beyond surviving in a world without her family.
February 16, 2015 — 3:35 PM
Marshall Sutton (@Zoltan314159) says:
Arya wants to extract revenge on the people who hurt her and her family. She’s even got a list of the people she wants to kill. That’s a pretty big motivation.
February 16, 2015 — 10:18 PM
Brittany Constable says:
As far as recommending favorites, gotta give a shout-out to The Lunar Chronicles by Marissa Meyer. Loads of great female characters, and a pretty wide spectrum of them. Cress is swooning, naive, and fragile (although still a highly skilled programmer and hacker), but it doesn’t come off as any sort of general statement about women because you’ve also got Scarlet and Cinder, not to mention baddies like Levana and Sybil. Great series.
February 16, 2015 — 3:35 PM
Kay Camden says:
Sirantha Jax in Grimspace. She’s independent and cocky and a real person with real person feelings.
I’m sorry to admit I can’t think of any more. But this is a huge pet peeve of mine, and I’m constantly frustrated by seeing “strong female characters” who are actually just male characters with boobs. What movie was it where there was a female drill sergeant and some guy mouthed off so she just punched him in the face? Captain America, maybe? That’s what I’m talking about. It’s just ridiculous.
Our society defines strength by male actions and pursuits, so we’re constantly comparing female characters to men, and assigning traditional “male” characteristics to female characters in order to make them strong. So, strong female characters must be shooting people, punching people, and have no pesky emotions. No children for sure. Definitely can’t wear a dress.
This is one of the reasons I write. Strong women can be mothers. Strong women can be feminine. Strong women can be scared, can back down in the face of danger, and aren’t stupid enough to punch a man who’s twice their size.
February 16, 2015 — 3:43 PM
wagnerel says:
Totally agree here, though of course, real women can also eschew traditionally feminine pursuits and interests for all kinds of reasons without becoming caricatures. What I object to most is the idea that a woman is strong just because she repudiates all things traditional or that any interest in something that’s traditionally associated with femininity makes a character weak.
And conversely, it’s also possible for a male character to be strong without being a macho he man who does nothing besides face punch. It would be cool to see more male healers, scribes, cartographers, fathers, brothers, lovers, and so on (and be smart enough not to face punch someone twice their size) as important and strong characters in adventure stories too. But their absence is another facet of the issue you articulated in your post. We have a very narrow definition of what strength is, and it hurts characterization for both genders. But since male characters are so much more common overall in storytelling, the absence of non stereotyped female characters really stands out.
February 16, 2015 — 4:05 PM
Kay Camden says:
You nailed it. That’s the other side. My little guy was watching My Neighbor Totoro today, and one of the reasons I love that movie so much is because the dad does all these domestic things in a normal, natural way, without being some blundering fool like most men are characterized when being a dad. (Burning food, putting diapers on backwards, while screaming “Honey!!!” like he just can’t figure out how to work around the house. It’s a very old cliche and needs to die.)
Meanwhile, the two little girls are running around exploring nature and getting dirty. Love that movie so much. Why aren’t there more kid movies like this?
February 16, 2015 — 7:13 PM
Eris O'Reilly says:
Okay, so… I’m going to try to keep this as spoiler free as possible. I just saw Jupiter Ascending, and this post speaks to me about the main character (played by Mila Kunis), Jupiter Jones. On just surface of the movie, her character has little agency. She’s pretty much kidnapped and literally carried through about half of the plot.
EXCEPT… I saw the movie twice. And on the second time around, I realized something. It’s not that Jupiter Jones isn’t given any agency because of poor writing, Jupiter Jones has her agency taken away from her from the other characters. She frequently tries to assert herself in the movies, only to have the other characters literally knock her out to pick her up to drag her to the next part of the plot. And as time goes on in the movie, Jupiter gets more and more savvy as to how the other characters are trying to use her, to literally carry around, that the other characters are forced to come up with new and unique ways to try to trick her. By the end of the movie, Jupiter has pretty much learned all the tricks everyone has to try to break her will, and she has none of it. (And that includes telling off her love interest for attempting to make decisions for her. Not to mention her “final battle,” so to speak, with the main villain.)
Even better, I really liked how the character was NEVER set up to be one of those “I know karate, kung fu, and 47 other dangerous things.” She’s a relatively normal person. Her final moments in the movie are more about her compassion and willing to sacrifice herself to save Earth, instead of if she can execute a roundhouse kick or not. (Which, for an fyi, the movie pretty much revolves around how humans in general are SUPER SELFISH, so I’m okay with the end of Jupiter’s character arc being “I’m not.”)
And you know? For a coming of age story? I think that’s pretty damn neat.
February 16, 2015 — 3:49 PM
G. S. Jennsen says:
Eris, I agree. I saw Jupiter Ascending purely for the sci-fi scenery and went into it expecting Kunis’ character to be nothing more than damsel-in-distress decoration. Yes, she definitely gets (literally) carried and rescued a shocking amount, but I too was pleasantly surprised at how she increasingly fought to wrest back control of her life and make her own choices. Also, her actions throughout refinery scene/final battle were actually fairly impressive.
February 16, 2015 — 4:36 PM
birdonabird says:
Thank you for this! I haven’t seen it yet, but a friend was like, “LOL this is just Mary Sue candy fluff” and I was like, is it? I commented below that to me, what really makes a “Mary Sue” is lack of agency, and it doesn’t sound like that’s the case at all (and that’s a relief because I would really, really like to like this movie). I’m more excited to see it than ever!
February 16, 2015 — 7:53 PM
Matthew W. Quinn says:
That’s a good argument. Her arc could’ve been a bit better defined, but I understood what the Wachowskis intended. A relatively normal person getting pulled into a world of intergalactic craziness is going to be all bewildered and not seem to have a lot of agency, but she ends up telling off an interstellar aristo-twit and then beating him half to death with a crowbar. 🙂
February 17, 2015 — 10:12 AM
Clickety Keys (@clix) says:
And she’s not only willing to sacrifice herself – she’s willing to sacrifice her family members to save the lives of the other innocent people of Earth. Given that women are often stereotyped as nurturing caregivers, that was a very atypical development for a female character.
February 25, 2015 — 12:07 PM
Jana (@ugobananas) says:
I want to talk about Merida from Brave, and her mother. Both of their decisions (good and bad) drive the entire story. The men in the story take a back seat, and their destinies are shaped and affected by the women. I love that movie so much.
February 16, 2015 — 3:55 PM
Heidi Skinner says:
Eve Dallas, In Death series. Claire Beauchamp Randall, Outlander. Any of the women in Andre Norton’s works. Love strong women who make the story!
February 16, 2015 — 4:03 PM
Trisha Gee (@trisha_gee) says:
I love Eve Dallas. You could almost argue that Roake (rich, handsome, smart) is the unrealistic toy given to her for being awesome, the reverse of so many other fictional couples.
February 17, 2015 — 6:46 AM
Rick Cook Jr says:
People give Robert Jordan’s Wheel of Time a lot of shit, especially as regards its bizarre form of gender roles, but the women in the story effect so much change throughout that it is worth mentioning on agency alone.
February 16, 2015 — 4:15 PM
Rachel says:
This post made me contemplate my own lead character and how I view her versus how a reader might. Perhaps she needs to push the plot around a bit more. Hmmmm…
*writes notes for editing WIP*
Much appreciated, Mr. Wendig!
And while I love a good, kick-ass female character, I must admit I’m a bit old fashioned. Little Women changed my life. That book and those amazing characters have stayed with me for decades.
February 16, 2015 — 4:34 PM
Toni says:
Jo in Little Women definitely had agency. She was one of my first exposures to a truly strong female character, after Nancy Drew.
March 1, 2015 — 11:46 AM
Heather Milne Johnson says:
Jane Eyre
February 16, 2015 — 4:43 PM
Bonnie Jean Feldkamp says:
I write and read mainly memoir but I think the same rules apply. In memoir you just can’t float along a victim in life. But for fiction, the one that comes to mind is Nora Chancel in Peter Starub’s Hellfire Club. I wish Peter would bring her back for more like he did with some of his other protagonists like Tom Passmore. I’m a big Straub fan.
February 16, 2015 — 4:50 PM
Steve MC says:
Another vote for Agent Carter. The scenes where she’s kicking ass are actually the most boring for me – it’s the ones where she has to outwit both the good and bad guys, and wrestle with her choices, and who to trust, all in the face of 1940s derision from her co-workers are what make her a character with more agency than anyone else in the Agency.
February 16, 2015 — 4:58 PM
christinekling says:
Sarah Dahl wrote what I was thinking as I read this blog. Lisbeth Salander in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo stands out in my mind as one of the most amazing characters ever written. There are so many reasons why readers shouldn’t love her, yet we do. She is vulnerable and brutal, physically and psychically scarred, both a woman and a girl. If someone described a person like that, I would say, “No way. Such a woman could not exist,” yet Stieg Larsson’s trilogy breathed life into her and made her not just a character but someone I will never forget.
February 16, 2015 — 5:04 PM
mattblackattack says:
Oh man how did I forget about Lisbeth! She is one of my all time favorites!
February 16, 2015 — 5:13 PM
colbywp says:
Rae from Robin McKinley’s “Sunshine” is a great example of a character who doesn’t seem “strong” and she even doubts her own agency as well, but she acts with a great deal of agency. Choosing to rescue a monster as well when you can free yourself alone? Great stuff!
A number of Tamora Pierce’s characters like Alanna the Lioness (who disguises herself as a boy in order to pursue the fate she chooses vs. submitting to other’s choices for her) are some good, typical/classic examples of YA novel characters with agency.
David Weber is a master of characterization. Not only his protagonists (male and female) but even the bit-part characters that blip on the screen across his massive Honor Harrington, Safehold, and other series have agency and good motivations. It makes for good “bad guys” in his books as well as the good guys, because you get to see the antagonists making their choices and why as well as for protags.
February 16, 2015 — 5:31 PM
spiegelweb says:
Thank you for mentioning Tamora Pierce – so many women who are strong in so many ways! Not just Alanna, but Daine, Keladry, Aly, Onua in the Tortall books as well as Tris, Daja, Sandry, Rosethorn in the Circle of Magic series… too many characters major and minor to count.
February 22, 2015 — 4:28 PM
Robert Sadler says:
Great article, Chuck.
You want strong female characters? Look no further than every character Tatiana Maslany plays in Orphan Black. Great writing + perfect acting = a bunch of kick-ass women.
February 16, 2015 — 5:43 PM
Kay Camden says:
Yes, Orphan Black times a million. 🙂
February 16, 2015 — 8:16 PM
Ophelia Bell (@OpheliaDragons) says:
My newest favorite example is Stella Gibson (played by Gillian Anderson) in the TV show “The Fall”. She’s a tough woman in an ostensibly male world – a homicide detective trying to find a serial killer – there are occasional “Clarice Starling” moments in it. Except you get the sense that she’s a very complex individual, and perhaps lonely in spite of being a beautiful, driven, and highly intelligent woman (or perhaps because of it). I also loved that she’s entirely unapologetic about her sexuality. Her interaction with the other male and female characters is always striking.
February 16, 2015 — 5:53 PM
Gerald Hood says:
A female character who fits this bill, and also kicks major ass, would be Honor Harrington. I’ve just started reading the series but the story certainly moves because of her actions.
February 16, 2015 — 5:56 PM
M T McGuire says:
Thank you for an excellent post. Personally, I think some of Jane Austen’s women characters are pretty cool. Sure they don’t do kung fu but in a world where they have absolutely no rights, to the point where they possess pretty much nothing and are dependent on the men with whom they live, they certainly kick a lot of donkey. As a writer, I tend to plot all my characters as people and decide what gender they are afterwards, when I begin to write. Hopefully, that way, no-one ends up as floatsome. (that looks weird, have I spelled it right? I hope I have. Apologies if not. It’s late here.)
Cheers
MTM
February 16, 2015 — 6:16 PM
Michelle Browne (@SciFiMagpie) says:
Hm. GAMORA, then. Character with agency or plot robot? Zoe Saldana-s performance didn’t help.
February 16, 2015 — 6:29 PM
Laurie Evans says:
Veronica Mars, which I just started watching due to Chuck’s recommendation. And Zoe from Firefly. And Claire from Outlander.
February 16, 2015 — 6:40 PM
Jenni C says:
Thank you, Chuck. Let me breathe a sigh of relief. I would have a hard time writing the kick-ass character, as I have never been in a fight in my life. My argument against “strong” female characters has always been that I don’t know any. Where are all of these kickass women? (Yes, I know there are some out there, and more power to them) but I want my characters to be real, and the strength in real female characters rarely is physical. It is emotional, and psychological, and seems to often overcome obstacles that may be scary only to them.
I really like this definition because I don’t think strength only comes in one form. I want my characters to overcome fears.
Having said that, I have to say that my favorite female character is still Sigourney Weaver in Aliens or Gorillas in the Mist. Especially love that battle between the “mothers”. Don’t mess with the cubs when Mama Bear is around! That is what I love. She shows her tender side with the little girl(who is also the only one strong enough to survive), then she kicks some butt. I want one of those loaders. “Get away from her, you Bitch!” Nuff said. (Although I don’t like girls against girls just for the sake of it, ya know?
February 16, 2015 — 6:52 PM
Jacey Bedford says:
Modesty Blaise (Peter O’Donnell) One of the first (and best) kick-ass women-with-agency.
Cordelia Naismith Vorkosigan (Lois McMaster Bujold)
Torin Kerr (Tania Huff’s Valor books)
Raine Benares (Lisa Shearin)
Granny Weatherwax (Terry Pratchett)
Jax (Ann Aguire’s Grimspace books)
Shan Frankland (Karen Traviss Wess’Har books)
Sabetha (Scott Lynch’s Gentleman Bastard books – specifically The Republic of Thieves)
In Hunger games Katniss starts and finishes well, but in the third volume she loses agency for most of the book, which frustrates me somewnat.
February 16, 2015 — 6:54 PM
PASchaefer says:
Princess Cimorene, of Dealing with Dragons and later books, by Patricia C. Wrede. Which I’m now reading to a five-year old.
February 16, 2015 — 7:21 PM
birdonabird says:
I was having a conversation about the “Mary Sue” trope (I hate the idea of the trope, Joseph Campbell is giving the biggest middle finger from the grave for that one) with someone earlier today, and the word that kept coming to mind about what REALLY makes a Mary Sue is lack of agency. Everything else is (generally) a character trait. A female character CAN be lovely and beloved and powerful (or insert your favorite trait here) AND still drive the story – why not? The agency is the important part, I feel, everything else is just decoration to engage and give insight.
February 16, 2015 — 7:47 PM
Alexis Smithers (@DangerLove12) says:
I second Annalise Keating and Peggy Carter and Katniss Everdeen and Hermoine and all the characters from Orphan Black. I wanna add:
most of the girls from Carmilla the Series (especially Laura who thinks she might be a cross between Buffy and Veronica Mars)
most of the princesses from Adventure Time? even when they were the object of Finn’s affection, they refused to be just (if even) that
Maleficent
Joan and Jamie from Elementary
Cookie from Empire
Amy and Karma from Faking It
Fiona from Shameless
the ladies in Brooklyn Nine Nine
Beth from Stalker
most of the ladies from Bomb Girls
(I stopped watching after the second season but I would say Emma Swan and Cora and Regina Mills from Once Upon a Time)
pretty much every lady on Orange is the New Black
Skye from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Jane from Jane the Virgin
Mako Mori from Pacific Rim
Norma Bates from Bates Motel
Dianna and Natalie Goodman from Next to Normal
Ms. Marvel from the Ms. Marvel series
the characters in the Lumberjanes comics
the main character in Invisible Monsters
I can only say confidently the first season of Jane and Maura from Rizzoli and Isles
Brenda from The Closer
most of the characters from Desperate Housewives
Precious Jones from Precious
Alikah from Pariah
Elphaba Thropp and Glinda Upton from Wicked
the ladies from In the Heights
Bone from Bastard Out of Carolina
Eve from Eve’s Bayou
Cameron from The Miseducation of Cameron Post
Eleanor from Eleanor and Park
Ava from The Summer We Got Free
Mia and Jesse in The Moment
Lia from Wintergirls
Melinda from Speak
Liesel from The Book Thief.
maybe Carrie?
I know all of these aren’t perfect examples, but when I think of characters who actually feel like people to me, this is what comes to mind.
This was such a great post, thank you for sharing!
February 16, 2015 — 7:54 PM
poorerdick says:
Preface: I might be completely misreading you. If so, I apologize. I’m intending to be polite and engage in meaningful discourse. If you feel I’m out of line and you don’t want me post outside of links to my work on your flash-fiction posts, let me know, and I’ll stop.
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Regarding female characters with agency that are my favorites… Honestly, I’m hard pressed to find any characters with agency, given how you define agency. I’ve read both your posts you posts on agency. Maybe I’m not properly reading your post, but I think most heroes wouldn’t have agency the way you present it. Heroes tend to be overwhelmingly reactive by nature, because some one can’t (really) act to protect something before someone else threatens it, the initial action.
For a classical and modern example: neither Odysseus nor Buffy really fit your requirements for agency. Odysseus’s most famous voyage came into being due to the actions of entities far above and beyond him – and the wide array of encounters he has occur largely outside his control; leaving him to react to them. On the other hand, every week Buffy found herself having to react to some evil rearing its head in her little corner of the world and threatening something she held dear. While she normally overcame her challenges, she was almost initially reacting to external stimuli, and frequently reacted to the actions and reactions of her fellow cast members.
Further, most ensemble casts are going to fail to have agency (as I think you have defined it). Exterior actions of the world and other cast members are going to have to have more effect on individuals than any individual would have on the exterior world (including their cast mates). Characters with enough agency to affect the world more than the world affects them are (largely) unrealistic, and rare; and more than one probably couldn’t exist in a story. And characters would likely be labeled ‘Mary Sues’ (regardless of whether or not they deserve that title).
I agree that good characters need to make decisions and affect the story. Characters need to have their own dreams, drives, and lives that they are trying to pursue. However, almost everyone who is a real person spends more time reacting to what’s going on around them than they do acting ex nihilo.
Maybe I’m just to focused on your choices ‘active more than she is reactive’ and ‘pushes on the plot more than the plot that pushes on her’. Passive is bad. Lacking internal drive is bad. Not attempting to engage other characters and settings is bad. But reaction… Reaction is life.
I might want to, say, write book; but maybe my father dies and I need to deal with that. When I’ve taken care of that, maybe a family member becomes sick, and I need to deal with that. And then maybe I or someone I know loses their job – or my country plunges into war. Sure, I’ve still got goals and ambition – and I can probably get my book written while struggling, but most of my life, my story, isn’t going to be about how I bent the majority of events in my life to my will. It’s mostly going to be about how I managed to accomplish (or failed to accomplish) my dreams while surviving (or not surviving) everything that was happening around me. Further, what topic I’d choose to write about is likely a reaction to something that happened to me at some time in the past.
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Regarding games and agency, I think you’re confusing character and player agency when talking about games. Player agency and character agency are two different things.
To translate it over to literature, it would be like mixing up reader and character agency. Readers have very little agency in most cases – they normally have the choice of either reading the book or not reading the book. If they choose to read the book, they pretty much always have to let the book play out as the author wrote it. The same issues apply to TV, film, and theatre.
Video and table top games, on the other hand, may or may not give the player the ability to decide what they want to do. Really good examples of player agency in video games (in my not-so-humble-opinion) include The Stanley Parable, most open-world games (such as The Elder Scrolls and Fallout series of games, Wing Commander: Privateer, Freelancer, the Grand Theft Auto and Saints Row series of games), and any MMO where players want to actually roleplay (RP). While I think you have to play the Stanley Parable to really understand it (don’t rely on a ‘let play’ video), most open world game let you, largely, do what ever you want.
The Stanley Parable (Windows/Mac; free demo, worth playing, and completely different content than the game):
http://store.steampowered.com/app/221910/
I had friends who played Privateer and Freelancer for *years*, and never followed the official storyline – they just engaged in intersteller commerce – space trucking. I know plenty of people who have solo RP’ed character lives in Bethesda games, by spending hours RP’ing just mining and blacksmithing in Skyrim or collecting and organizing Nuka Cola memorabilia in Fallout 3. Personally, I’ve spent a ton of time screwing around in Saints Row 3 & 4, running over civilian vehicles downtown in tanks, or using flash-like super speed to fling cars and people far into the air in my wake – because I can. As for MMOs, as long as you can find people who are willing to RP, you’ve got as much player agency as you would in any other free-form, improv environment – whether that would have been on a stage, or sitting around a table.
And that’s without touching 800lb gorilla that is Minecraft.
However, character agency is different than player agency – though their can be some overlap. Characters in games (whether video or table top) tend to have agency in the same way that literary characters have agency. To tie this to the table top example you gave in your previous post on agency, though it is rare, you may play in a campaign where the players are railroaded, its possible that the characters are not.
Example:
It’s game night and your playing D&D with your friends. You’ve just defeated all but one goblin. The GM indicates the monster has thrown up a white flag and stated he has surrendered. One of the players is playing a Lawful Good Paladin who has shown fervent dedicated to the deity of Honor and Compassion. S/he is also having a bad day and states s/he want to chop the remaining goblin’s head off. The GM tells the player he can’t do that – its a radically out of character action that has come out of the blue. The player’s agency is being limited, but the character’s agency is not.
To look more specifically at video games, some games from the Action, Adventure, and JRPGs genres fall into the category of ‘little/no player agency’ – but the characters themselves may have tons of agency. While I can’t really discuss it without completely spoiling the entire game, I’ll say that The Last of Us is probably the best example I can think of where the character has agency, but the player does not; specifically at the end. If you want to know everything (ultimate spoiler warning), this article does a good job covering what happens:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/06/17/coming-to-terms-with-the-difficult-ending-of-the-last-of-us/
To see where they overlap, you can look at Fallout: New Vegas. You and your character are dropped into a larger world – and you have relatively high agency in game. Your (re)actions direct how the story will ultimately play out. You can kill the leaders of most of the other factions you could side with. You can wipe out entire towns. You can choose to help or ignore NPCs you encounter. Most of those actions (or inactions) will have game play effects and be compiled into the ending. (Each important location and faction receive a small bit of the ending dedicated to them, and you are informed how your actions ended up effecting them).
February 16, 2015 — 8:05 PM
terribleminds says:
You’re right that player agency complicates that scenario, though for metaphor’s sake, I felt it was pretty good to help us understand the illusion of choice — having written some video games, I can tell you that the tech drives the writing quite often, and the writing comes dead last in most games (not all), which means characters with agency are somewhat lost.
But more to the point, to answer the question of ACTIVE VS. REACTIVE —
Look at it this way:
A character who enters a story and doesn’t affect its outcome by the end is passive and reactive. They react to the stream pushing them one way or another. And that’s the sum total of their behavior in the story.
Sure, all characters are *to some degree* reactive because they exist (ostensibly) in a “living” world where shit happens and they have to deal with that particular shit.
But agency demands that they choose to deal with the shit or not deal with it on their own terms, not on the terms of other characters and on the Overarching Plot As Designed Artificially By The Author.
BUFFY is a character with agency (though I’d argue this gets shakier later on in the series) because she makes genuine decisions that affect the story. She is at the center of the tale, not at its margins, and often she’s the one steering the ship — her choices have *meaning* within the plot.
A good example of this is a lot of SLASHER FILMS.
Slasher films are often an example of a character who goes from Reactive –> Active. A lot of slasher films are completely crap when it comes to women and how they’re treated, but some, I think, at least understand that shift — so, at the beginning of the story the character is menaced by a slasher figure, and is constantly reactive. But by the end, sometime around the midpoint or the turn of the third act, the character gains agency. The character’s train bucks the rails and leaves the track. She begins to turn the tables — she starts calling the shots, making the choices, and disrupting that character’s plans. She pushes on the plot and changes the expected outcome by ultimately surviving and killing the slasher. (And so she becomes the “Final Girl.”)
Again, not the ideal example in the sense that a lot of slasher films are total shitpants to women, but there’s something intriguing there — menaced by a man, eventually gains power over him, eventually menaces him in return. (YOU’RE NEXT is a very good example of this, I think.)
— c.
February 17, 2015 — 6:59 AM
poorerdick says:
Regarding video games, tech doesn’t have to drive the writing – and that’s what makes it so frustrating. I think the problem where has more to do with the demands of the studio system and expectations of a certain small segment of gamers. Video games have managed stories just find since the era of the Commodore 64, abet in limited quantities.
Interactive Fiction (Adventure, Zork, Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, etc.) can manage to tell stories just fine.
Adventure games can manage to tell stories just fine. One only has to look at the works of LucasArts (the Secret of Monkey Island series, Full Throttle, The Dig, etc.) or Telltale games (the Puzzle Agent, Sam & Max, Walking Dead series, etc.).
Roleplaying games can manage to tell stories just fine. In this instance, I’d point to the Interplay -> Black Isle -> (Troika ->) Obsidian Entertainment developers, who gave us the Fallout series (sans 3), Planescape: Torment, and Arcanum of Steamworks and Magick Obscura (among others).
Even action, puzzle, and horror games can do it! Just look at Bioshock – an action game and probably the most fun rebuke of objectivism I’ve ever had the pleasure to experience. The Portal series blended action, puzzles, and story beautifully. The Justine DLC for Amnesia: the Dark Descent has to be one of the most intense stories I’ve ever experienced. While the playthrough itself is nail biting, the reveal in the final scene was what truly made it horrifying.
I honestly think its largely a graphics issue, more than anything else. In fact, I recall reading an interview of some old Black Isle employees, where in they stated that they used to be able to have as many writers on staff as they did programmers and artists – something that they said that they couldn’t do in modern games, largely due to the increased emphasis on graphics.
Sorry… I strayed afield. Just…. frustration… overwhelming…
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More to the main topic and regarding active vs reactive. I think the issue I am/was having here is/was semantic – which is a problem one runs into occasionally when one spent four years at university studying rhetoric and deconstruction.
My brain was having trouble reconciling essentially this bit ‘all characters are *to some degree* reactive because they exist (ostensibly) in a “living” world where shit happens and they have to deal with that particular shit.’ with “agency demands that they choose to deal with the shit or not deal with it on their own terms, not on the terms of other characters and on the Overarching Plot As Designed Artificially By The Author.” Actually, it still is, but only in a very pointless, literal, and academic sense. I think. I do believe I understand what you mean – and I apologize for the digression.
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That said, I think I’m still hard pressed to come up with female characters that I liked and had a good sense of agency, as I think you view it. A lot of my favorite female characters have been supporting characters (such as Zoe Washburn, Illyria, Willow Rosenberg, Anya, and Kara Thrace) and I think that they largely deal with shit on other character’s terms.
However, even a some of my favorite main characters who are female (such as Ellen Ripley, Jennifer Walters, and Motoko Kusanagi) run into issues. After really wracking my brain for female main characters I like and who have significant agency, I think the only really good example that I could come up with is Beatrix Kiddo.
Please note: I haven’t seen quite a few of these works in years. I apologize if my recall is fuzzy. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Ellen Ripley – generally considered one of the stronger female characters in cinema – doesn’t really begin to fit your desires for agency until way late in Alien, if then. If my memory serves me correctly, she doesn’t really start try to control the situation based on her internal desires until either she learns about Ash’s mission from Mother (and confronts Ash) or after the death of final two other crew members, Lambert and Parker (as she is now working alone); depending on how you want to view the unfolding events. For the majority of the movie she’s following protocol or Dallas’s direction (even posthumously), or working in relatively balanced tandem with the rest of the crew. And, honestly, you could probably make a pretty good argument that she’s largely acting more out of wild desperation than on her own terms and volition at the end of film.
My memories of Aliens and further films are way to hazy to make any actual rational analysis, even if my gut wants to say she was a strong character.
As for Jennifer Walters (aka She-Hulk), she is a comic book character who knows she’s a comic book character. I don’t know if a character can even have agency in that sort of situation. She objectively knows that her entire sense of self and everything that happens to her exists solely at the discretion and whim of the person writing her. Does Harold Crick in Stranger than Fiction have agency?
(Before anyone brings up the specter of lesser version of a male hero, Jennifer Walters is far superior to Bruce Banner. She has a far more stable and successful life than Bruce and is in control of her power, unlike Bruce. Plus, she’s stronger: she can break the 4th wall.)
Even my favorite character of all time, Major Motoko Kusanagi runs into issues. Sure, she’s physically and emotionally strong, intelligent, extremely capable, and in charge of her sexuality. But, she has two major strikes against her, from which I don’t think she can recover. First, she’s a domestic defense force agent, and thus largely reactive by profession. Second, most of the Ghost in the Shell stories are procedural investigations, political quagmires, and/or intelligence games – and the antagonists wield the majority of the agency. They largely dictate the entire pacing and terms of the movies and series. As an example, at the end of the first movie and manga, the Major merges with the antagonist. This decision is, at best, 50% her choice, 50% its choice; and the situation that precipitates her decision was largely shaped by the antagonist.
While I wanted to avoid overly violent and action based characters, if one watches Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair, I really think Beatrix Kiddo (aka the Bride) has an amazing amount of agency. Her agency is only really obstructed twice in the entire film – once at her wedding and once by Budd. Even her training with Pai Mei doesn’t really obstruct her agency – it’s made clear that she’s free to leave/give up but chooses not to. Everything except the confrontation at the church and her encounter with Budd either happens because she wanted it to happen, or because she managed to bend the events to her will. Further, if you watch the entire movie, she’s a fully fleshed out character with reasonable and rational drives, and quite a bit of character growth.
February 17, 2015 — 2:31 PM
girlgermserms says:
Elena Michaels (http://otherworld.wikia.com/wiki/Elena_Michaels)
One of my favourite fictional females of all time.
February 16, 2015 — 8:24 PM
Juli Hoffman says:
FBI agent Dana Scully from The X-Files! She’s intelligent and courageous. She can wield a gun or a scalpel with proficiency. Best of all, she doesn’t need to flash her boobs and wear stilettos to be sexy. She’s a well-written, multifaceted character. Twenty-plus years later, Dana Scully’s still one of my FAVORITE characters from television.
February 16, 2015 — 8:42 PM
Larry Lennhoff says:
As far as BSG goes I have to talk about Laura Roslin. She is not kick ass in any sort of physical sense, but she is an immensely strong woman who is alternately a foil and a support to Commander Adama. Her refusal to let the military falsify the election results in her favor is a major plot point.
February 16, 2015 — 8:57 PM
myzania3350 says:
Apart from Katniss, Tris, Hermione, Ginny….
The heroines of Tamora Pierce’s books need a massive mention. Check this lady out, everyone – from Beka to Alanna to Daine to Kel and their women “side” characters in Tortall; to Sandry, Daja, Tris(ana) with Rosethorn and Lark and others in Emelan….not forgetting, of course, villans are female too.
And she gives examples (both overt and discreet, depending on the target age of readers) of homo- and heterosexual relationships, in both main and side characters – a side character of one series is even transgender, sort of.
Read Tamora Pierce!!!
February 16, 2015 — 9:12 PM
jacki214 says:
Tamora was my pick, too! 🙂
February 17, 2015 — 9:32 PM
Karin Kallmaker says:
Terrific analysis and advice, and useful to anyone who wants to bring in a character who is unlike their usual protagonist and create someone who is empowered and not just a strong-looking token.
Also, I write lesbian fiction, so my protagonists are all women, but that’s no guarantee that a writer won’t fall victim to gender-role stereotypes, e.g. the most “feminine” of the female characters is the weak “strong” character you’re talking about.
Is it okay to reblog to my wee audience? (I turn comments and likes off, sending all to the original blog to do so.)
February 16, 2015 — 9:51 PM
smithster says:
Oooooh, chance to list some of my favorites 🙂
In no particular order and off the top of my head: Ripley, pretty much all the women in Firefly, the character Tenar in the story Tehannu in the Earthsea Quartet, the character Elizabeth Yeager in Rimrunners, just watched Erin Brockovich again and love the way Julia Roberts plays her, Molly Grue from The Last Unicorn and Jenny Waynest from Barbara Hambly’s Dragonsbane series, Sarah Ross and Victoria from RED. Hit Girl. I could continue but I’ma stop now.
February 16, 2015 — 10:28 PM
k1ypp says:
I think that a female character has to pass the “real world” test. I don’t watch television, but I see enough of it when I’m visiting with someone and the box is on. I see females emulating male “Action Figures,” men that are also unbelievable, but less so. I know there are exceptions, but I see/read far too many women in hand-to-hand combat, taking down men twice there size with little effort. The same goes for so many
That just isn’t “real world” and the statistics just don’t bear it out. Yes, a weapon can be the great equalizer, and in those domestic abuse cases where a weapon is involved, women can prevail, but not in physical combat. Sure, with training and lots of practice, they can prevail, but they’re exceptions. I know many women that are physically fit, but struggle to do a single pull-up, they just don’t have that kind of brawn.
I agree with you Chuck, writing a female character needs to be real, contemporary writers often create female characters that are just not believable. Some get it right, certainly Katniss Everdeen (Hunger Games), Lisbeth Salander (Girl With The Dragon Tattoo) and Karen Walden (Meg Ryan, Courage Under Fire, I don’t believe this was a book, but the rules still apply), are all examples of believable women. They have that “Character Agency.”
I’m certain Osama bin Laden would be rolling over in his watery grave if he knew it was primarily women that brought him down. Yeah, the muscle that brought him down was male, but from what I’ve read, it was women that tracked him down and made that event “real.” They don’t get the credit they deserve, think Hillary Clinton and Audrey F. Tomason in the situation room photo at the White House during the bin Laden take-down. The women were removed from some photos published later. Really?
February 17, 2015 — 12:55 AM
Umberto Tosi says:
I nominate Oly, the albino hunchback dwarf narrator from Katharine Dunn’s twisted family values masterpiece, “Geek Love” – an unlikely candidate, I know, but nonetheless, there she is. Oly’s not pretty, nor fey, nor a lamp, but her light shines. Oly doesn’t kick ass right away. She’s an innocent first, then an enabler to her evil flipper brother through a good part of the book, though nobody’s fool. When she turns, however, she is an avenging angel indeed, and a survivor. I won’t elaborate. Don’t want to be a spoiler for those who haven’t had the pleasure of her acquaintance. I urge them to do just that, if they have the stomach the bizarre black humor. This novel is a trip.
February 17, 2015 — 12:56 AM
Laura W. says:
I read the young adult novel CLARIEL recently. The main character is independent and solitary in personality. It’s sort of a “birth of a supervillain/anti-heroine” kind of story, but at least every terrible decision she makes is hers to own. The depressing thing was that if other people in the story had filled her in on what was going on and allowed her to have greater control over her own life and have agency, she probably wouldn’t have made the mistakes she does.
I also love Kira from the Partials series (also YA).
February 17, 2015 — 1:23 AM
pyracantha says:
However well-written a woman character with “agency” or “strength” or kick-ass qualities she is, she (almost) always has red hair.
February 17, 2015 — 1:45 AM