[EDIT: Comments are now turned off. I’m having to wade through a rather epic middenheap of awful comments and toss most of them into the spam oubliette.]
This meme is going around Facebook.
And hey, by the way? Fuck this meme.
Listen, I get it. We have a toddler and having a child is challenging — way more than you think. You buy into this myth that somehow the physical control you possess over an infant — MOVE KID HERE, PLOP THEM HERE, DROP THEM IN THE SLEEP CUBE, STICK THEM ON THE HAMSTER WHEEL — is infinite. You assume that you will retain physical control over that child.
But it’s not long before you realize this is total horseshit. You can’t physically control them any more than you can restrain a chimpanzee by arm-wrestling him. A toddler is 30-40 pounds of flailing, slack-limbed weight. Shifting weight. Disproportionate weight. And the toddler may hit. Or bite. Or shriek. And you can’t stop them physically from doing that.
And so, you think: I can spank this kid. That will teach him to stop.
It sure might.
Just like if I want a woman to shut up, I might smack her across the mouth.
Just like if I don’t like what some guy is saying to me, maybe I punch him in the throat.
You wanna teach somebody to shut up? Start slapping, kicking, throwing punches.
Maybe swing a knife, point a gun.
You spank a kid, you hit a kid. I know, this meme would seem to harken to a simpler time, a har har har I warmed my kid’s butt and now he knows not to talk back to me time, a time when caveman ideals hid behind the smiling face of a smug, pipe-smoking 1950s father.
What I know is this: you spank your kid, you’re demonstrating that you’re a lazy, impatient, frustrated bully. You’re a brute who can’t handle his own child, who can’t actually teach anything or help your child understand the vagaries of life. Your intelligence level is equal only to the smacks you give, whether they’re to a kid’s ass or across his face or with a belt or a paint stirrer or a wooden spoon or whatever your weapon — because, that’s right, it’s a weapon.
My grandfather used to apparently beat the piss out of my father, and my father reportedly beat the piss out of my grandfather as a result. My Dad used the spanking thing once — one time, when I lied about putting a cat in the dryer when I was five (no, I wasn’t trying to kill the cat, it was winter and the dryer was warm and I thought the cat would like it, shut up). He spanked my ass and I never forgot it. I mean — I never forgot it. I don’t know that I remember much from being five-years-old, but I sure as hell remember that. Not in the good way. I don’t remember it in the, “Now I understand why lying is bad” way. But in the “I should be afraid of this guy” way. In the “I gotta get better at lying so I can avoid the paint stirrer,” a device that sat forever on our counter and was referenced time and time again as a reason for me to “behave.” I acted up and him reaching for that paint stirrer was all it took to cause me to settle the hell down.
It worked.
It worked to scare me. It worked to keep the peace. Damn right I behaved.
But it didn’t teach me anything. It didn’t make me a better person. It just made me scared.
And it made me real angry.
I’m not saying my father was a bad Dad. Frankly, I’m surprised he wasn’t meaner sometimes given the stories I heard of how my grandfather treated him. Abuse begets abuse. It’s kicked dogs all the way down. I loved my father and am still sad as hell that he passed just as we were becoming friends again. But we had a big gulf between us for a number of years and I can tell you at the very bottom of one of those deep dark chasms that separated us lurked that singular moment of him beating my ass — and then threatening to hit me again and again over the years.
Don’t hit your kids.
Don’t pass around a meme that encourages people to hit your kids.
Kids are smaller than you. They’re weaker. They’re a little cocktail shaker of emotions and hormones and unformed lessons. You’re supposed to be the rock they hold onto in tough times, not the rock you hit them with when they’re acting like all children do because they’re children.
People always say they can’t imagine hitting their own kids. I can imagine it. I can imagine hitting my son. What that’ll do to him. I can imagine the little mote of hate inside of him, that little ember of anger, the little seed of resentment planted — because here I am, a father supposed to offer him a hand up and instead I bring that hand against him.
It’s horrible. It gives me nausea just thinking about it.
So —
Cut that fucking meme out. Stop passing it around.
It isn’t funny.
It isn’t twee haw haw haw oh-what-a-simpler-time.
It’s called hitting children. And it ain’t cute. So cut that shit out.
Gry Ranfelt says:
I admit to thinking the meme somewhat amusing but after reading your post I see why it’s drop dead wrong. If people are against communistic parentage from an abusive state, telling us what to do with violence, how is this any different?
December 24, 2013 — 4:15 AM
John Færseth says:
If you dislike the state, buy a gun, join a militia with other morons, blow up a federal building, shoot the President, if that makes you feel any better. Unlike you, a child can’t strike back.
December 24, 2013 — 10:21 AM
Charlie Rubruck says:
A little bit drastic, but also very true.
There is however a problem with that: If you are somebody who would use violence in that situation, you’re probably also very soon somebody who would use violence against children.
Why? If violence worked against that uber-large government, why wouldn’t it work against a small child? Right?
If violence doesn’t work against that government, you’d be forced to use more of it. And more. And more. And soon you don’t have the capacity to keep that violence out of any other part of your life. Including children.
So yes, your statement does make sense, and it does ring true in a very drastic way. But you didn’t really get the point, did you?
December 24, 2013 — 6:39 PM
Wendy Christopher says:
Amen, and thank you so much for flagging this up, Chuck. I would love to love my father the way I believe other daughters love their fathers – but there is this deep-rooted, residual fear of him and that temper which could come out of nowhere preventing me from ever having the courage to do that. I respect him – hell yeah, you better believe I respect him – but, even now, in my early forties, I’m still that little bit afraid of him. He’s changed in many ways now I’m an adult – but nothing on this earth will ever convince me that dark part of him I remember from my childhood has truly gone away.
As a result, I have never raised my hand to my own little boy. Never. Sure, there were times when he tried my patience and I felt really, really angry – but he was just a baby, he wasn’t TRYING to wind me up. You don’t have to hit; you can walk away into another room until you calm down – sometimes ten seconds away away from the situation is all you need – and then go back and deal with it rationally.
I still remember the shock and pain every time I was hit, and I don’t want to pass that on down through the generations. IT ENDS WITH ME; that was the promise I made myself before I even had my son. And you know what? My now seven-year-old boy is not a demented, ASBO-generating reprobate as a result; he’s doing well at school, charms the pants off just about everyone he meets and has made me so proud on so many occasions with his kindness and consideration to others.
And to the ‘well I was hit as a child and it never did ME any harm’ Brigade… well, good for you. And if you didn’t feel a need to shout it so loud and with so much anger every time someone advocates NOT hitting today’s generation of kids, I might even believe you.
December 24, 2013 — 5:04 AM
Vanades says:
I was once part of the “well I was hit as a child and it never did ME any harm”-brigade. It took theraphy and a lot of self-seraching and self-reflecting to accept that it did me harm and that it was a form of abuse. For a long time I tried to ignore and deny it because it didn’t fit in with the image of ‘family’ that my parents, especially my mom, tried to project and the idea I had off it. I’m still trying to come to terms with it.
December 24, 2013 — 6:39 AM
Alex Edwards says:
I do agree with this, but as someone who is not a parent I cannot speak from the other side of the fence which does leave my reasoning open to the “Well you’ve never been in that position so how do you know what you would do?” response.
But I have been on the other side of a spanking. When I was 9 years old my then-to-be-stepfather spanked me. Or rather he hit me across the left butt cheek so hard it left a palm print for two days and I couldn’t sit down properly for four.
This punishment was dished out on Christmas Eve 1998 when in a moment of annoyance and rage I kicked my sister. She and my step-sister were up annoying me in my room. They knew I wanted them to leave, but they were 6 and couldn’t care less because that’s what happens when you tell a child no. They do the exact opposite to test the boundaries of their world.
But when I kicked my sister she fell backwards into the corner of a cupboard and her back was cut. Just some scrapes, but there was bruising and a little blood. I was immediately sorry, but wouldn’t admit it because I was a stubborn little sod. Mules have nothing on me.
So as punishment, my then-to-be-stepfather came up and whacked me on the arse. And all I could feel as he approached me and sternly told me bend over was fear. And that was the primary emotion I felt ever since towards that man. I was terrified of him, and that fear amplified my existing preference for solitary company to the point where as a teenager I became a hermit. I never left my room, I was never a bad kid, I avoided angering him because I was afraid of the consequences. I missed a crap tonne of social experiences because I was afraid to ask to do anything.
Yes, perhaps giving a child a spanking teaches them discipline. But the line is so razor thin, and on the other side there is a world of terror and confusion that leads lasting mental scars. And telling yourself it was all for your own good is deliberate ignorance of the truth of what happened. Your parent, in the heat of the moment lost their temper and struck you. Maybe you did deserve it. Maybe like me you had been a unapologetic shit. But that doesn’t make it right.
Each situation, each child is unique. And that makes the results just as unique. It’s like playing Russian Roulette with a kids emotions, where the child has no choice in the matter.
That’s my two cents. Again, not a parent. Just an adult who came out the other side when my parents chose to gamble with Two-Faces coin. I got the scarred side.
December 24, 2013 — 5:06 AM
Cristina says:
You know what? I’m a mom on active toddler-duty (24/7, 365 days per year. No vacations, paid or otherwise, no preschool, no help from grandparents. I’m in a foxhole filled with toys, so to speak). I try to write in a language that’s not mine when he sleeps, if he sleeps. He’s still trying to figure out the whole catching Z’s thing.
All that to say, I know a thing or two about being driven bonkers by a little guy whose middle name is JUMPRUNSCREAMFOODWHERE’SMYFOOD. And I don’t hit. Never, because it’s fucked up. Fuck that shit. Fuck it with napalm and a matchbox.
You just jumped up in both my ‘Wow, awesome!’ and ‘I’m glad to pay money for this guy’s books’ list. My hat, it is tipped.to you, good sir.
December 24, 2013 — 5:10 AM
Katherine Hetzel says:
I will be honest – I bit my son, once. He had bitten me so hard, repeatedly, I was at the end of my tether. Everything I did to try and rationalise with him, to remove myself from the situation and to make him realise it was wrong had no effect. In a purely reactionary moment, I bit him back. And that’s the thing – it was complete and utter frustration which caused the action. I regretted it the instant it had happened. It was wrong. My son never bit me again…but that’s not the point.
I accept that at that moment, I was abusing my position as a parent. I will always regret it. Fortunately, it is me who remembers it – my son does not.
I so shocked myself, from that day on I resolved to talk to my kids – to use reason and understanding to encourage them to behave. And yep – we still had mega-tantrums. The sort where all you can do is pin the flailing little one to you in a hug while you’re boiling mad at your own helplessness and whisper ‘it’s OK, it’s OK’ over and over until they stop screaming and sobbing and become a limp bundle in your arms because they don’t understand where the violent emotions in themselves came from and because they just need the reassurance that you love them, you’re there for them, you’ll forgive them. It still happens now – at 12 and 14 years…
Love – not fear – helps kids grow up. Parenting is one of the hardest jobs in the world, but it’s also one of the best if you accept the responsibility you’ve been blessed with.
Oh – and in case you’re wondering, yes, I was spanked as a child.
December 24, 2013 — 5:14 AM
Terry says:
That was really brave of you to share.
December 24, 2013 — 12:16 PM
Nancy says:
I have followed you for some time…. Love your work. This is particularly powerful. Thank you.
December 24, 2013 — 6:43 AM
Louise Allan says:
I’ve followed you for your writing advice, but I love this post. As an abused child myself, I wrote this blog post about the same thing: http://louise-allan.com/2013/07/28/on-smacking-kids/, but you’ve written it more bluntly than I ever could! Thank you.
Also, I can’t emphasise (I’m Australian and that’s how we spell emphasise) how much good you’ve done by not smacking your children and perpetuating the violence tradition. I found it hard, so hard, at times — my default pre-programmed form of childhood discipline was physical punishment. You are right — children really push us to our limits, but we’re meant to be the adult and walk away when it’s too much. It gets easier the longer we continue to resist the urge. My eldest is about to turn eighteen and has never been hit — probably my proudest statistic.
December 24, 2013 — 8:02 AM
Stephen Prince says:
Yea it seems like the author of this article and the people commenting probably had parents who might not of explained either before or after why they were spankimg you. I could tell by most of everybody’s second or third paragraph that you were going to say “well all I could see was him coming after me with that look in his eye”. There’s such thing in this world called consequences I would rather my child learn it from me than from “Sir police officer” or “Madame judge”, But that’s just me.
For some kids all they need is a threat but after a while threatening doesn’t work that television or phone grounding doesn’t stick. And they’ll know oh I can underage drink or hit my sibling or act crazy at school and all I’ll get is a pat on the hand.
Don’t worry I’m not trying to argue but just thought there should be another POV than just negatively affected psychological adults.
December 24, 2013 — 8:09 AM
Kathleen says:
“Another POV than just negatively affected psychological adults.”
So by your line of logic, if a child’s supervisor or guardian just spent the time necessary to clearly explain why he/she hit the child and really gave a good explanation, then THAT would help the child to understand corporal punishment. Is that right?
Because it seems to me that your judgment is flawed. You’re absolutely right insofar as some kids need more than just a threat. Some kids need tough love consequences that are HARD to enforce. But none of those hard-to-enforce consequences include corporal punishment. Community service, limited social interactions for specific periods of time, and countless other methods of consequence enforcement do not include corporal punishment. Corporal punishment of children is inefficient and wrong. Children can not defend themselves – how is it ever appropriate to hit someone who can not defend themselves? Not verbally, not physically – they can not defend themselves or adequately explain their logic and motivations.
Hitting is lazy and wrong.
December 24, 2013 — 10:48 AM
oezlum says:
I can see what you’re trying to say, but you’re assuming that A) violence is the only way to effectively discipline a child (which is clearly not true) and B) that if you explain to a child why they’re in trouble and then subject them to physical pain they’ll take that lesson and internalize it. They won’t.
You actually kind of summed it up yourself when you said that one of the reasons to spank a kid is because they hit their sister. No matter how well you explain why what they did was wrong, you completely undermine that lesson by hitting them yourself immediately after. I know “actions speak louder than words” is the worst kind of cliche at this point, but it sums the point up pretty well. You’re teaching your kid that when you’re in a position of power it’s normal to use violence to force people to do what you want.
Also, I was hesitating over whether or not I should bring this up but it kind of worries me that you’re counting “underage drinking” as a problem that can be solved by spanking. Even if you live in a really bad area where kids are given free access to alcohol at 10 or 11, I’m pretty sure even the most hardcore spanking advocates would agree that if the kid is old enough for that to be an issue spanking them is just plain inappropriate.
December 24, 2013 — 11:22 AM
EvolutionaryParenting says:
>>that if you explain to a child why they’re in trouble and then subject them to physical pain they’ll take that lesson and internalize it. They won’t.<<
Or perhaps worse they do. They internalize that being hit is okay so long as the person who hits justifies it, or apologizes after and tells them they "made" them do it, and they enter relationships where that becomes the norm.
December 24, 2013 — 8:07 PM
terribleminds says:
^^^
Bingo.
December 24, 2013 — 8:56 PM
Tips says:
My parents always explained why I was being spanked. I wasn’t abused, it wasn’t done in temper, I was never spanked with anything but an open palm. I thought even when I was pregnant that I would do the same.
Now, my daughter is 17 months and I know I will never use spanking as a tool to “train” my children. Not only because I hate the idea of training or unquestioning obedience, but also because I STILL feel dread in the pit of my stomach when I feel I may be in trouble. Before starting on anti-depressants I suffered from anxiety attacks if I had a voicemail or letter that may have been bad news, and the feeling was the same as I had felt as a child when I knew I was going to be smacked.
December 24, 2013 — 8:09 PM
Yvonne Hertzberger says:
Spanking is violence – period. The respect we earn from our kids comes from the respect we give them. That is not to say we cannot, even must, set limits and enforce them, but it needs to be done without hitting. To those who say it can’t be done – we raised two wonderful individuals with strong values and a good work ethic without ever hitting them.
December 24, 2013 — 8:37 AM
leifthesailor says:
I remember misbehaving in the car, fighting with my sister, on long rides from Upstate NY to Boston for the various holidays and vacations. At some point my dad finally had enough and threatened to leave us with the Toll Booth Man. Legend had it that the Toll Booth Man hated children and had a studded belt that hurt like hell. So when we came to the toll booth and the Toll Booth Man played along, for reasons unknown even to my parents, we shut the hell up and never acted up in the car again.
December 24, 2013 — 8:38 AM
themathmaster says:
Amen. This is spot on.
December 24, 2013 — 8:46 AM
Dave says:
Wonder if there is any connection between lack of physical discipline and the inability to use civil language on the Internet?
December 24, 2013 — 9:08 AM
terribleminds says:
You know, I Googled it, and nope.
But I did Google the phrase “effects of spanking,” and you know what came up? Tons of negative effects from the physical discipline performed on children.
Weird, huh?
— c.
December 24, 2013 — 9:23 AM
Charlie Rubruck says:
Nice one. 😀
December 24, 2013 — 6:48 PM
danomolis says:
There’s a very large gaping ocean between abuse and spanking and everyone has different experiences with it. While you don’t realize it, you’ve very largely insulted a man who is my greatest hero. No, he’s not perfect. No, he didn’t have all the answers. What he had were the life experiences that were passed down to him from his parents.
I was spanked…but I sure as fuck wasn’t abused. There is an ocean of difference between the two. When my brother or I did something completely out of the realm of brilliant, we would get spanked. We would then be sat down and talked to in a calm manner. We were told what we did wrong, why we got spanked, and what to do in the future to avoid spankings. We were then hugged and told that we were loved. Then it was over. No lingering after-effects. No other violence. No fucking psychological torture that I’ve seen friends go through. Spanking was just something that happened when you royally screwed up. It was accepted and understood.
That same man also took us to gun safety classes, taught us patiently to drive, taught us that violence was always used as a last resort, and showed me how to truly live life. He taught me the life lessons that I needed to learn and bailed me out of many jams without judgement.
The results of my spankings? I got into one fight in my life…when I was bullied to the edge. I have never touched my children in anger and never could or would (They’re 8 and 6, now). That doesn’t mean my Father was wrong.
You and others had bad experiences with ABUSE. There is a world of difference. This statement that you made is pure ignorant bullshit: “You spank your kid, you’re demonstrating that you’re a lazy, impatient, frustrated bully. You’re a brute who can’t handle his own child, who can’t actually teach anything or help your child understand the vagaries of life. Your intelligence level is equal only to the smacks you give, whether they’re to a kid’s ass or across his face or with a belt or a paint stirrer or a wooden spoon or whatever your weapon — because, that’s right, it’s a weapon.”
The world isn’t black and white, Chuck, and my father isn’t lazy, impatient, frustrated, or a bully. He’s a caring soul that made damn sure that I was ready for the world. I’m a better father because of him. I’m sorry that your grandfather abused your father. That doesn’t make the rest of people in the world who spank their kids awful people.
December 24, 2013 — 9:36 AM
terribleminds says:
I’m not condemning the past. I’m not condemning our parents.
They didn’t have the information that we have. They did the best they could, in a lot of cases.
But we have good information.
And that information is resoundingly, scientifically, that spanking can do harm to children. Cognitive harm. Emotional harm. Occasionally physical harm.
My father didn’t abuse me. He spanked me. And like I say in the post, I don’t think of him as a Bad Dad as a result.
But me? I have better information. And I know it’s wrong. And I know that it’s harmful. And if I — or anybody else — chooses to take that information and still spank their kids, then that’s when they’re lazy. And impatient. And a bully.
I apologize if you think I’m insulting your father. I’m not. But I am taking aim that those who — presently, today — choose to spank their kids.
— c.
December 24, 2013 — 9:46 AM
Jonathan says:
Very well said!!
December 24, 2013 — 9:55 AM
1 L Loyd says:
Well said. I was spanked but not abused. But one time it was close. I raised my children with spanking as a LAST resort. I did it to teach consequences.
Some children will take advantage. We have to try to train them without breaking their spirit.
Too many people equate a slap on the bottom and a slap across the face. On of our Surgeon Generals was asked about corporal punishment. She answered with a story about losing her temper and slapping her son’s face. To here, there was no difference.
December 24, 2013 — 12:40 PM
NC says:
Murica.
December 24, 2013 — 2:16 PM
Sezano says:
My brother, well compare results between you and your father when your kids are grown up. Until then, you are not the over knowing expert you think you are. Because you can’t be!
December 24, 2013 — 9:37 AM
J.D. Rhoades (@JD_Rhoades) says:
The children who were spanked grew up to be the people who made the world what it is today. Need I say more?
December 24, 2013 — 9:54 AM
oezlum says:
Well, yeah, you kind of do need to say more. Honestly I’m not even sure whether you’re for spanking or against it.
December 24, 2013 — 11:27 AM
Brandon says:
Dear Chuck,
Please tell the world that since you’ve been a parent for 2-3 years you have figured out everything.
You put a cat in the dryer, and you got whooped for it. If my kids do the same thing I’m going to whoop them for it too. And I pray that my children will do the same to their children.
Meanwhile my kids won’t be self entitled 25 years still living at home like yours will.
You damn Millennials
December 24, 2013 — 10:17 AM
Pickles says:
Yes, clearly anyone that expresses an opinion on the internet is simultaneously making the claim that they’ve figured everything about that particular thing out. That’s why I know for sure that you know all there is to know about the following subjects:
– Whooping.
– Cats
– Driers
– Praying
– Children
– Self Entitlement
– Damn Millenials
– Future Telling.
You seem like a righteous dude. We should hang out. You could read the future and finish my sentences and we could whoop people, because that’s how our parents did us, and god damn it, that’s the way we’ll do it and our kids will do it because if there’s one thing we know, you and I, it’s that everything from the past is always awesome and should always be carried into the future, and fuck you mister internet smartypants if you say anything different about it, cause I’ll whoop you too.
God damn milleniums. (Did I get that right?)
December 25, 2013 — 2:02 AM
Anthony Elmore says:
My Christian parents spanked me but gave up the practice. The realized what psychologies observed without the benefit of a degree – it may change my behavior for the short term but I’ll just re-offend later.
People who defend spanking are missing the point. Some parent’s don’t correct their child at all because parenting, like watching 3 hours of TV a day, is hard. Supernanny to the rescue!!
When I see disrespectful kids, I see a parent that a disrespectful person. Parents who are rude to waiters and retail workers. Scream at drivers in traffic. Parents who make bigoted comments or blame others for their stew they cooked.
December 24, 2013 — 10:50 AM
mirele says:
My mother used to spank us kids with her hand, until she broke a blood vessel. Then she switched (heh, heh, she said ironically) over to using a metal mesh flyswatter. All spanking did for me was turn me into a better liar.
December 24, 2013 — 10:54 AM
Emily says:
little developmental psychology here:
actually, the main thing about spanking is that it’s not really an effective form of discipline. the only time it really acts in the way it’s meant to is when the child is around 2-5 years old, and doesn’t have the ability to think in an abstract manner. so, when you tell a little kid not to cross the street cos something bad will happen, a 3 year old kid doesn’t understand what “bad could happen” means. their little brains, literally, cannot think in that fashion yet. so, if the 3 year old does cross the street, give them a spanking, and their brain will connect, “oh, that’s the bad thing that can happen. i shouldn’t cross the street cos i don’t want a spanking.” but, spankings need to be immediate, because if a good amount of time has passed, like “i’m going to spank you when we get home,” then that neural connection isn’t made, and the kid doesn’t remember, and doesn’t understand why they’re being spanked.
but, by the time the kid enters school, most kids can think abstractly, and most kids really can reason by that age. spanking is no longer an effective punishment, and just becomes abusive, because the neural connection between corporal punishment isn’t there anymore.
that said, i think there are better forms of punishment than spanking to reinforce the “something bad will happen.” the key to discipline isn’t so much what kind of discipline, so long as it’s _consistent_. kids need rules, need structure, need to be able to anticipate what will happen. if you’re wishy washy in your discipline, kids will just push, and push, and push, and continually manipulate to see how far they can push you. that’s where abuse plays in, and you get the parents losing their shit, and smacking the kid around, is cos you know the parents keep letting things slide, and the kids keep pushing more, and the parents let more slide, until the parents break, and smack the kid, or scream, or whatever. that produces “out of control” behavior in kids, which over the years i’ve decided is what the mass majority of kids that “suffer” from ADHD, oppositional defiant disorder, etc. are really suffering from.
December 24, 2013 — 11:12 AM
Ash says:
The threat of my parents going to spank me (including my father, who is over six foot), has contributed to a lot of my issues re: anxiety, fear, and lying to get out of trouble. One memorable occasion, I was threatened to be hit because I while I was learning how to drive, I didn’t pick up something fast enough. I don’t remember what, but I remember sitting in my car, while turning a corner, trying to think of how I could get my knee out of range so I wouldn’t be hit. I still have this possibility in my head every time I deal with my parents in any kind of negative mood.
I also have ADHD, so, to be honest, I actually have no idea where your comment about ADHD is coming from. I have issues with executive functioning and focus, but because the popular image is of “out of control hyper little boys”, I wasn’t able to get any help until my late teens. Girls are way, way, way under-iagnosed. I’m ALWAYS going to have issues with getting assistance, because people just decide that it’s laziness, it’s a made-up disorder, it’s caused by bad food, it’s caused by not being smacked around – you’re the first person I’ve run into who has gone “the majority of cases are because of ill-discipline due to being smacked”. But could you kindly…stop? It doesn’t help those of us who DO have this disorder get any help on trying to keep our lives together.
December 24, 2013 — 8:42 PM
gregm91436 says:
I agree with Chuck (and, partially, you) that spanking is ineffective.
But Ash is right about ADD/ADHD: speaking as someone who has it, ADHD is a predominantly biological disorder resulting from a lack of neurons in the prefrontal cortex, and a lack of proper blood flow to there and the cerebellum, both of which cause problems with regulating executive function. (And, btw, I got straight As all through school and was generally well-behaved, with emotionally intelligent parents, so my ADHD did not develop as a result of “lack of limits”/”letting things slide.”) Please try not to comment on things you know *nothing* about.
http://www.amazon.com/Driven-Distraction-Revised-Recognizing-Attention-ebook/dp/B005GFII62/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1387945471&sr=1-1&keywords=driven+to+distraction
December 24, 2013 — 11:27 PM
MonaKarel says:
We have taken such huge strides forward in training our animals. An increasingly shrinking group believes we have to train through domination and intimidation while the group believing in communication over confrontation increases. Some day this will come to those raising children, and I don’t mean the ridiculous permissiveness of the Dr Spock group. There is a middle of the road we need to strive to attain.
December 24, 2013 — 11:20 AM
mwebster76 says:
Oh! Oh! Next will you do the “good moms have sticky floors” meme? Because we all know there’s not a single shitty mom in the world who has sticky floors too!
December 24, 2013 — 11:32 AM
Jonathan says:
You said that, “when you spank your kid, you’re demonstrating that you’re a lazy, impatient, frustrated bully. You’re a brute who can’t handle his own child”. Let’s stop there, so my mom and dad didn’t try to spank me, it was only after sending me to my room, taking my video games away, telling me I couldn’t go outside, trying to talk to me to tell me what I did wrong, trying to reason with me, putting me in time out. When these things didn’t work, because no they weren’t going to, then they gave spankings. Not all people respond to the time out approach, yelling at me wasn’t going to do it either, in fact most the time I’d laugh at them when they tried. Threats didn’t work because that is all it was, a threat. However, when I got spanked yea I acted right, cause that was pain. Did I get as many spankings as some of my siblings? No, but that is because I realized that I didn’t want to feel pain because I did something stupid. I don’t have any mental problems, I don’t have any hate towards my mom or dad, I don’t have any lasting effects from getting spanked.
My aunt tried the same approach of time outs and talking to her daughter, she completely refused to spank her. To this day her daughter has no respect for her at all, she always talks back to her, she has even hit her mom on a few different occasions. Now my cousin won’t talk down to my mom, she won’t disrespect her, she is nothing but an angel around my mom. Why? She knows my mom will pop her, my cousin is now 27 years old and still has more respect for my mom than her own mother, what was the difference? My mom was willing to go there, and her mom wasn’t. I do believe that kids have to know that you are willing to go to that point, not threaten actually go there. If you can get them to understand and obey you without that, then great.
I agreed with one of the fellas who posted that there is a big difference between spankings and abuse, do I believe kids should get spankings? Yes I do, do I believe that they should get spankings for the sole purpose of them just being kids? No I don’t, and if you are just hitting your kids because you don’t want to deal with them any other way at the moment then yes you are a bully. Not all people who got spanked when they were young feel as if they were wronged, and not all people who got spanked have any issues with them as adults. If you truly believe that there is absolutely no reason ever to spank a kid then to each his own, but what I don’t like is people telling someone else how to raise their kids, you don’t know the situation, you don’t know what’s going on in that house, you don’t know anything about them. If they are ABUSING their children then yea get involved, but if you see someone give their kid a spanking because their kid is beyond talking to then it’s none of your business.
Should anyone hit a toddler? No, that is dumb, but if your eight year old is doing something over and over again with no punishment other than talking or taking something away, then yes spank them. My girlfriend has a teenager, she takes stuff away from her, talks to her, send her to her room, threatens her, everything except spank and from what I’ve been told she has never spanked her. You know what she told her mom the other day, “I don’t care that you do those things because they don’t affect me, I’ll be in trouble for a while and then have those privileges back”. Now I’m not her dad, which she has been clear to tell me but if I had been there when she was younger, you bet she would have got spanked but now it’s to late. My kids however, listen to both of us because they know I will go there. It’s great that you don’t have to spank your kids, but I wonder what would happen if everything else you did didn’t work, what then would you do?
December 24, 2013 — 11:38 AM
mikes75 says:
“Threats didn’t work because that is all it was, a threat.”
So the only consequence worth following through on is a spanking.
I say this as someone who’s walked out of an amusement park I spent good money to take my son to, and drove home over an hour moments after we got there. How does my son know my threats aren’t just threats? I make sure there are actual consequences I’m willing to deliver attached. When our in-laws flew us out to Paris, my son wanted to see the mummies in the Louvre, but he knew that meant a.) behaving well beforehand to earn going there as well as behaving well while there, and b.) if he acted up once we were prepared to take him right out of there immediately, and all other sites would be lost to him as well. He knew we’d follow through, and my in-laws would back us up. No hitting involved.
Sometimes parenting is made up of pyrrihc victories, where I lose something to make sure my son gains a valuable lesson. I’m just not willing to let that loss be my temper.
December 24, 2013 — 12:08 PM
Jonathan says:
Ok, but not all kids respond to that. Some kids would care for the moment that they couldn’t enjoy the fun family time, but they would get over it. My parents even tried to punish everyone for something one of us did, in order to “make us see how it affected everyone else”. That didn’t stop us from getting in trouble, I can tell you personally I really didn’t care because all that meant was no one got to do anything for a period of time. My thought process wasn’t, I feel so bad that my actions caused my siblings from doing something because I didn’t care. My siblings and I laugh at the stuff now, and we all get along just fine I’m seeing them all tonight. Again we all got spanked except for my youngest brother, and we all got great grades in school, a few of us went to college, but we all have great jobs, we all have families, none of us have mental issues, or any lasting affects from getting spanked and all of us would defend our parents if anyone tried to attack them in any way. Now, you might have grown up different, you probably grew up completely different and you raise your child different from others, some people let their kids watch any and everything on tv, some people let their kids listen to any kind of music, they let their kids talk back to them because they are scared to discipline them in any way. So just because how you are raising your kid is working for you doesn’t mean it is going to work for everyone else. It doesn’t mean that someone who gives their kids spankings are bullies, or bad parents. Maybe your kid gets to eat ice cream, meat, and drink soda, doesn’t that mean you’re a bad parent for letting him? No, but I can bet that there are people out there who will tell you how bad of a parent you are because you let your kid eat those things, and I would bet that you would defend YOUR parenting for YOUR child.
December 24, 2013 — 12:33 PM
1 L Loyd says:
It’s complicated. Every child needs different approaches and amounts. You seem to have a good grasp of the whole situation.
December 24, 2013 — 12:52 PM
Jason says:
So, that worked did it? I would’ve just laughed at the money you wasted. Sure, I would have been upset that my day was ruined, but you actually lost something. When my dad did that; I went home, did my homework, and drew in my notebook. Next time we went and I acted up, he popped me on the backside in front of everyone. The result: I behaved and was over it in minutes and he didn’t lose anything in the process.
December 24, 2013 — 8:40 PM
mikes75 says:
I lost a little money and a couple hours. Compared against my son’s overall behavior and knowing he isn’t afraid of me? I’m cool sacrificing for my kid’s well-being.
December 24, 2013 — 10:03 PM
Jason says:
I would have knocked my aunt into next week if she thought she could lay a hand on me. I hit my dad back after he hit me. Fuck no I’m not gonna respect anyone who lays a hand on me. It’s not a parents right to hurt their child. That right will be gone in a few years. And kids will have a right not to ever be hit. Little coward for hitting a kid. I have a 9 year old who has never back talked me or his mom and will give respect as long as he gets respect too. You never have to hit a kid.
December 24, 2013 — 11:41 PM
Bryon Quertermous says:
This is all rough for me to hear. I was spanked as a child as part of a particularly nasty version of Baptist Christianity and didn’t realize until recently that it’s affected me. I initially had no problem with spanking my kids until I realized all it did was escalate an already nasty situation. I’m a lazy parent, though I’m trying to be better it’s something I struggle with, and I found myself resorting to spanking when I was tired or frustrated or angry and my son would reflect those emotions back to me. But the moment I decided I would never spank my kids again is when I went to brush something from my son’s face innocently and he flinched. I was horrified and crushed and embarrassed. And then I saw the kids hitting each other and knew it was because of me and my temper and my laziness. I still struggle with yelling at my kids in anger, it’s something else that I see escalate the situation more than help, but I will never spank my kids again.
December 24, 2013 — 11:51 AM
chulaslim says:
Like you I believe hitting a child is barbaric. The image of a hundred and eighty pound man striking a little child filled me with revulsion, so I refrained from that sort of behavior.
And my three children grew up to become fine individuals, thank you. They’re smart and successful and have more respect for their fellow humans than anyone else I know. Maybe at some future time this whole spanking thing will become a relic of the past but it can’t happen too soon for my tastes.
December 24, 2013 — 12:46 PM
India Drummond says:
I was spanked as a child, sometimes viciously. I refused to hit my son, because I believe that when you spank/hit a child, you’re teaching him “when you run out of ideas, smack the person who is smaller than you and that’ll fix what ails the situation.” But it doesn’t.
I’m 44 years old and still coming to terms with it every day. Just.. don’t. My son is 18 now. He’s a wonderful, gentle, intelligent human being, and as far as I know, has never hit another person either. I’m so proud of him.
December 24, 2013 — 1:12 PM
kaytee says:
Spanking made me into a great liar. I still don’t tell my mother things I think might upset her, 35 years later.
December 24, 2013 — 2:00 PM
clare says:
I visited this blog because it was a TOP 2013 blog. First, you raise your child the way you see fit, and in time your neighbor or others in society as a whole, will let you know how well you raised your kid. Believe that.
Second, people always harp on spanking, what about our words: how we use them, what we say, what words we use, etc. I mean you’re trying to convince others about not spanking kids. I just waded through a bunch of unnecessary coarse language. And the correlation here is that for the people that I have known, who harp on spanking, are the same ones that tend to use curse words like a second language. And many of these same kids have grown up and shown a lack of respect for others through their words learned from parents. It is bit contradictory to me, so I’ll pass on this instruction lesson.
December 24, 2013 — 2:25 PM
Fatma Alici says:
I never found it terrible amusing to begin with it. Coming from an very abusive harm the idea of hurting a child, any child leaves me feeling ill. Even reading something like recalls all kinds of horribleness I’d rather not think about. The only thing the punishments taught were to hate. Hate isn’t a particularly enlightening lesson to impart to anyone.
December 24, 2013 — 2:57 PM
22pamela says:
To Spank? Or not Spank? Is that really the question? I think several have hit the nail on the head with the word “respect.”…Which I feel was taught to me well by my parents (yes, I was spanked once by my father for removing my shoes when told repeatedly not to remove them) through the use of a force continuum of punishments for various childhood crimes. The punishment always fit the crime and was age appropriate. I was blessed with ‘hippie’ parents who knew the value of respecting your elders and those in authority over you…whether you liked them or not. Something I still value…as in, I may not like the ‘man’ but I ‘respect’ the office.
The threat was initiated at a very early age, and I still fear my Mother’s disappointment. And at 70 years old, I’m fairly sure she could still “take me to the floor” and ‘knock me into next week!” At least, that’s what I believe. And I’m a better person for it.
December 24, 2013 — 3:11 PM
Kyle McElroy says:
I certainly hope he teaches his son that there are more effective ways to make an argument than swearing. don’t take the high road on a parenting subject with the mouth of an adolescent
December 24, 2013 — 4:11 PM
terribleminds says:
This isn’t a blog for adolescents. It uses adult language, because we are all adults.
December 24, 2013 — 4:14 PM
PointyHairedSecretary says:
Wrong. You use vulgar crude language either because you are just too lazy to find a word that actually fits well, or because you just aren’t a very good writer, and can’t do any better.
Could also indicate serious lack of self-respect and/or self-awareness. “Adult” has nothing to do with it. Couldn’t you even come up with a better excuse that that?
Remember, when you act like a clown, they are laughing at you, not with you.
December 24, 2013 — 5:48 PM
terribleminds says:
I use precisely the words I mean to use. Profanity fits nicely. It accentuates the language. It drives home rhetoric. It relieves stress. It punctuates. It provides potency and poetry.
It is a strong spice, but I quite like it.
You don’t, and that’s fine. I might suggest you find another venue to haunt, then.
December 24, 2013 — 8:58 PM
rattify says:
It says right at the top of the page that this blog uses adult language. The great thing about the Internet is, if you don’t like what you’re reading, you can go someplace else where the writing style is more to your liking.
December 24, 2013 — 9:12 PM
Jerry says:
The header mentions adult language. We aren’t talking about adult language, we’re talking about at best sophomoric use of coarse and vulgar language. As the author says, it’s a strong spice. It grows flavorless if overused, however.
December 25, 2013 — 12:22 AM
welltemperedwriter says:
You’re funny.
December 24, 2013 — 10:52 PM
Pickles says:
Who are you people? I don’t know why you’re here, reading the second page of comments, if you’re so concerned about swearing.
“I should leave. This is a lot of vulgar crude swearing…No. I can’t. I must press on and wade through the muck and mire of vulgar crude languageosity so I can tell Wendig that he’s a bad writer. Jesus would want it this way.”
Go somewhere else. Read something else. Jesus won’t mind.
December 25, 2013 — 2:15 AM
Pickles says:
This is really baffling to me. Have you never been here before? Jesus Christ, insult corporal punishment and the fucking swears-police come pouring out of the woodwork. This might blow your mind, but contrary to your morality squad bullshit, the amount of profanity that does or doesn’t come out of a person’s mouth really has no bearing on their ability as a parent.
December 25, 2013 — 2:08 AM
Tristan says:
How boot you all stop being politically correct babies and get over it? I was spanked quite often as a child and it’s definitely made me into a well adjusted person. My dad may have over done it at times, but it’s not like it’s mentally scaring unless you’re just a flat out Pansy.
December 24, 2013 — 5:21 PM
terribleminds says:
Yes, you seem rather well-adjusted.
As for being a “flat out Pansy,” which I assume means, what? Coward?
My thought on the subject is, a coward is someone who thinks it’s okay to hit their child.
That’s what a coward looks like.
December 24, 2013 — 9:01 PM
Tristan says:
You sound like a pansy.
December 24, 2013 — 9:26 PM
carolynefiore says:
And you sound like a misogynist.
December 24, 2013 — 9:59 PM
Andreah says:
Thank you so much for this post. I love your blog. I mostly follow it because it keeps me inspired to keep writing and eventually get published. Plus, you’re hilarious! You always make me laugh. My parents spanked me as a child. Mostly just my father, but my mother didn’t do anything to stop it either. Both my sister and I have agreed it has scarred us psychologically. Sometimes I think my parents feel that it was ok just because my sister and I turned out “alright.” And like you said, we still love them, but we don’t agree with it. And to be perfectly honest, deep down, we did not turn out alright. Both of us have admitted that we feel submissive towards our significant others and are waiting for them to yell at us. The memories of the spanking and yelling are so vivid in my mind, I will never forget them. I am sure it is the same for my sister. Those are probably just the tip of iceberg. And that is why my sister and I will never spank our children. Thank you again for this post. It made me feel whole again. I am going to share it with my sister.
December 24, 2013 — 5:28 PM
Bret voelkel says:
I disagree. There is a huge difference between spanking and hitting or beating your child. But, if one is confused about the difference, then not spanking or hitting is the right thing to do.
December 24, 2013 — 5:35 PM
Roxanne Buckman says:
I am amazed by the number of people complaining about the language. If curse words offend you but hitting another person to get your way doesn’t, you may need to ponder on your moral compass for a bit.
December 24, 2013 — 6:23 PM
Lori says:
Chuck Wendig, I thought you were the shit before I read this post. Now I know you are the shit. Hear, hear!
December 24, 2013 — 6:43 PM
Emily says:
Beautiful
December 24, 2013 — 6:54 PM
Shaun says:
I was struck as a child.
I said the same thing “I turned out fine”.
I still, 20 years later, absolutely hate my parents.
Apparently I didn’t turn out quite as fine as I always was told I did
December 24, 2013 — 7:06 PM
Harvey says:
I think it’s funny how new parents think they know how to raise children. And then write a book about how everyone should discipline theirs. There is a difference between disciplining and abuse. There needs to be a combination of verbal and physical discipline. Not necessarily at the same time. Its about teaching consequence of actions. If it doesn’t happen then children get the mind set of “oh I’ll just get yelled at” and build a fearlessness of their parents and other people. That fearlessness is what invokes them to act out even more because they know no harm will come to them. (Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me). Remember that saying as kids? It still goes around with our kids. And words do create psycological problems with people. Sometimes worse than hitting a person.
So stop trying to push your beliefs on to people just because you think somethings wrong. You are not the everpowerful know-it-all you think you are. Every situation is different and should be treated as such as long as that fine line between discipline and abuse isn’t crossed.
December 24, 2013 — 7:20 PM
welltemperedwriter says:
So stop trying to push your beliefs on to people just because you think somethings wrong.
Says the person who had to deliberately click a link to come here and read this. Mm-hmm.
December 24, 2013 — 10:53 PM
Jeff Xilon says:
See, the problem here is that the alternative to spanking is not yelling. Those are not the only two choices. Talking, respect, understanding, non-physical consequences. Those are alternatives. Why do people keep talking about the efficacy of hitting like it’s a matter of opinion? It’s not. The science is in, has been in for a long time, and keeps coming in with consistent results – hitting kids does no good. Saying you have a different opinion about it is like saying you have a different opinion about the long term dangers of exposure to excessive radiation. You can say it, but it’s not an equally valid position to take.
December 25, 2013 — 1:48 AM
Nise says:
You were punished, not disciplined. There is a difference. I am sad that you experienced the former and not the latter. Hitting is punishment, not discipline.
December 24, 2013 — 7:49 PM
Heather says:
I was hit, too. Did it teach me not to misbehave?
Fuck no. I wasn’t afraid. I was humiliated. Angry. I hurt other people to purge some of that rage. I hurt animals. I broke shit. That sense of helplessness and pain made me go out and bully bullies as a convenient target. I wasn’t bigger, but I was better trained in fighting. I got hurt, but I stopped them from hurting others. If I broke a few noses here or there, I didn’t care.
That’s what physical punishment taught me. It taught me to not care when I hurt others. Why should I? They didn’t care when they hurt me or anyone else.
I also had zero respect for any asshole who put their hands on me. I dreamed of hurting them the way they hurt me. I dreamed of instilling the same fear of me into them that I felt for the pain they inflicted on me.
I was about 15 when I examined all that pain and rage and asked myself if I wanted to be the monster they had cultivated or if I wanted to be me. I asked myself who the hell I really was.
I still have that pit of rage inside. It’s a contrast to everything I believe, every other feeling I have. I love with everything I am. Not just romantically — in my friendships, too. I hate the violence I still fight that wells up inside me from that abuse. I may have been a minor, but it was no less abuse than if it had been my husband controlling me through fear and pain.
Fear is not respect. It’s the precursor to rage, to hate. Respect is caring about another person’s feelings and/or looking up to them. It’s considering them worth listening to, worth caring for. I don’t respect people I fear. I’ll still care about their feelings, because I care about everyone’s feelings, but if it’s saving them or protecting myself in a fire, that’s probably the only time I’ll pick myself.
December 24, 2013 — 8:08 PM
AlwaysJuly says:
“I have nothing intelligent to say in response to your argument, because in my heart I know what I’m doing is wrong and/or I’m not completely ignorant of the research so I know it’s wrong, so I’m just going to harp on how you said it.”
Just thought I’d express that thought with some intellectual honesty for those who can’t.
December 24, 2013 — 8:10 PM
Pickles says:
That was perhaps the most graceful translation of butthurt that I’ve ever seen in my entire life. Well done.
December 25, 2013 — 2:18 AM
AlwaysJuly says:
I was spanked as a kid. It wasn’t abusive. It WAS, however, a symptom of my mom’s impulsive, foolish, self-centered side, and while I love her dearly, I lost respect for her as a child because of that behavior. I have plenty of friends who spank their kids and are otherwise wonderful, caring parents, but I’ve never seen them hit their kids without — yes — looking impulsive and foolish. And not just to me.
Unless you’ve Stockholmed yourself into believing that what your parents did was 100% right across the board, as a kid and as an adult, you know the parent hitting you acted out just as badly, or worse, than you did to “earn” that spanking.
December 24, 2013 — 8:13 PM
Shay Dee (@bluebicblog) says:
After having waded through a majority of these comments, I’m curious to know how comes, when looking back, some people who were spanked turned out fine and some who were spanked were abused?
What the hell happened here? It reads like a very long bridge with two people at other ends. I keep reading people saying “different approaches for different kids”. Is that true if one kid comes out fine and another far from it (in retrospect)?
I was spanked as a child and don’t have a crime to my name. Same goes for my bro. I don’t feel psychologically damaged and when I went to visit a therapist when I was worried I had PND, (we spoke at length about many things) I was dismissed within weeks with the okay. I did good at school in some subjects, well in others, failed at some. I’m pretty average. I have my passions (writing) and my dislikes (maths). I dunno. I reckon I’m pretty “normal”, whatever that means!
Weirdly, as a kid, I remember seeing kids get spanked in ways I thought “Whoa…that’s bad.” I seemed, back then, to recognise different types of discipline and when things were going too far. Speaking to those adults now, we still agree.
Spanking didn’t do me any harm and it worked for me better than the talking and being grounded (my mums style). I only have my experiences to go by but no die hard opinion on the subject of “spanking” as it seems to mean something different to everyone.
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December 24, 2013 — 8:28 PM
Nick says:
Interesting thoughts but I can’t say I agree entirely. I’m sorry your experience has been what it is – that’s really sad and where I will agree with you, that for many, spanking has become an outlet for frustration and is essentially hitting a child, which is wrong and should not be tolerated. However, I was spanked as a kid and my relationship with my dad was never affected, remains good and strong to this day and I can’t say I’ve ever seen it as anything but discipline. That’s not to brag about my experience or anything – I genuinely see where you’re coming from and feel for you – but I think to sum up spanking as hitting is a sweeping statement that’s unfair on those who I think are and have been good parents and have genuinely been looking out for me. It definitely needs to be done in a certain manner, and whilst I see where you are coming from, I also saw where the original post was coming from too.
December 24, 2013 — 8:44 PM
qmbridges says:
One of my friends was all for spanking until she was at a party where a jerk started slapping his girlfriend around. My friend said, “He did it because he was bigger than her and mad, and it was how he thought he could get her to do what he wanted.” I said, “Isn’t that kind of like spanking?”
I clearly remember being hit by my parents. The lesson I learned was how to avoid them, and it’s a lesson I still haven’t really unlearned.
December 24, 2013 — 8:53 PM
Nick says:
And by certain manner I mean not going nuts and hitting in the manner you described…! You can spank and it not look like that at all…
You’re experience of spanking is obviously different to others is what I’m trying to say…your experience is hitting, beating, etc – again not cool and I’m sorry – mine is a light smack on the backside and a verbal telling off telling me why I just got it basically. It’s still spanking, but it’s definitely not hitting and I do see it as positive in my experience…
December 24, 2013 — 9:01 PM
Phaylen Fairchild says:
Extremism. That’s what this argument is. You’re the kind of guy that would call child services on a Parent for patting their child on the behind when they are blatantly misbehaving. I was spanked as a kid. I’m not psychologically damaged or developmentally mishappen. It is not.. i repeat NOT the same thing as child abuse. A spanking from a parent (And only a parent) does not, and should not hurt or leave marks. A spanking is a punishment, of to deter behavior that poses danger to the child themselves… like playing with matches. This children today don’t know respect. They’re out of control; they’re violent to their parent; aggressive to their teachers and dismissive of any authority. If you don’t see this in the era of epic bullying, children going to school with weapons and behavioral disorder diagnosis off the charts, then you are turning a blind eye. Is it all because children don’t get spanked? No. It’s because parents have COMPLETELY stopped enforcing any kind of disciplinary action because of extremists like you who guilt them into passively – often absently – raising their children and eventually letting children raise themselves rather than appropriately exercising authority.
December 24, 2013 — 9:02 PM
terribleminds says:
This is one of those arguments that’s easy to make.
It’s also difficult to back up.
Spanking can:
a) lower IQ.
b) damage language growth/comprehension.
c) increase aggression.
d) increase depression.
It’s those latter two that are most important here.
States with schools that allow corporal punishment have higher rates of school violence.
http://www.stophitting.com/index.php?page=factsvsopinions
That link is worth looking at.
And, by the way, if me saying “don’t hit your kids” gets me labeled as an extremist, we’re in pretty deep shit as a country.
— c.
December 24, 2013 — 9:07 PM
rattify says:
My dad tried corporal punishment once (very mildly) when I was in first grade. He received a fifteen minute treatise from me on why that was scary and I didn’t like it and he should not do that to me and I deserved an apology.
I got it.
That’s what happens when you teach kids that they are human beings who deserve good treatment: they stick up for themselves. I was telling my dad what he’d told me, and had merely forgotten in a moment of lost temper because he too was a child of an abuser. Because of him, I knew I didn’t have to accept abuse from anyone, not even him.
If this had gone differently, I would be a very different person. One who was too frightened to stand up to bullies and abusers.
So, yeah. don’t hit kids. But if you do, APOLOGIZE. They’ll learn from that, too.
December 24, 2013 — 9:02 PM
Nick says:
Sorry to make it clear my two comments were aimed at the original writer! I realise you might not know who I am addressing specifically…!
December 24, 2013 — 9:04 PM