I don’t want to talk about politics. Not because I think writers and artists shouldn’t talk about politics — they can, and should, and are arguably well-equipped to do so. It’s just — it’s just very tiresome. This feels like the most obvious, easy-to-answer election in history. We’ve done it once already, and it was pretty well-settled, and I kinda hoped we were all in tacit agreement that we have two potential roads ahead of us, one which is bumpy but gets us where we need to go, and one which is just a pit, a giant fucking pit, ten feet of road and then a deep and bottomless hole.
But, of course, everything’s gone goofy. So, fine, let’s talk about it.
First and foremost, depending on who you talk to, I am either a froth-mouthed woke leftist, or I am a centrist shitlib, so I’m probably going to annoy someone with this post, and for that, you have my apologies.
(If I had to find myself on that scale, I’d say I’m between the two, arguably way more left than I’ve ever been. YMMV.)
Here is my view of the election:
Remove, for a moment, the two men running for president. I know, this is difficult — the presidency is supposed to be some kind of weirdo popularity contest, where we really want to “get a beer with the guy” or some dorky shit. But while the identity of the president matters more than it would in say, other countries, where they tend to vote for a party, let’s also assume that, in a way, you’re still voting for a party. You’re picking which party is going to control the executive branch and have authority there. They will bring an administration with them (or carry one over, in the case of incumbency) and it is the focus and abilities and reach of that administration that matter. The president represents the party, and here, the party further represents a laundry list of ideals and policies and directions for the country and its people, right? In this way, each party represents an opposing force.
This election is you voting for which force, which administration, which direction you think will best serve this country and its citizens.
One of those forces represents itself and its interests at a keenly selfish level, seeking to institute — and by now you’ve surely heard of this, yeah? — the policy nightmare package that is Project 2025. If you don’t know what it is, John Oliver can give you a useful primer here. The BBC also has a breakdown here. Or, jeez, you can just go to their website, since it’s all hanging out there in the open to be read. (I won’t link to it. Google it.)
Needless to say and to reiterate — it’s a fucking nightmare.
In brief, it seeks to dismantle crucial parts of the American government, gutting democracy and instituting the start of a theocracy. It takes aim at cutting or ending national parks, social security, gay marriage, women’s rights and bodily autonomy, public schools, health care, the entire regulatory ability of the government. It would continue to rewrite the judiciary for years to come — if not, essentially, forever. It would put an alarming amount of singular power in the hands of the president (in this case, Trump), already concentrated there via SCOTUS’s two decisions recently regarding presidential immunity and the Chevron Deference. It would make pornography illegal — and with a floating, easy-to-abuse definition of pornography, just imagine what could be included under that umbrella. It seeks to undo scientific regulations and laws around weather and climate change — this at a time when we are most certainly at a tipping point, marking that as a truly existential attack on not just this country, but the entire globe. (They like climate change, because they think it will open up more drill-baby-drill opportunities.) Do you enjoy the fact that the NOAA warns us about hurricanes and tornadoes and other extreme weather events? Well, they want to kill that too. They want to make LGBTQIA folks non-exsitent and illegal. They want to eliminate the Department of Education, holy fuck. Listen, it’s bad. It’s very bad. It’s genuinely a dictatorial agenda, and, if implemented even at partial strength, will be a number of nails driven into the coffin of American democracy.
That’s one party, one force, vying for control of the country.
The other party, uhh, doesn’t want to do that. The other party, while certainly imperfect, represents a force that will continue to try to reward labor, shore up the economy, treat science and expertise with seriousness, defend NATO, defend human rights, and quite vitally, treat climate change like the serious existential threat that it is. Again, it will do these things imperfectly. It will also champion policies that I don’t agree with. This isn’t odd — I don’t think there’s been an administration or party I’ve ever felt would be magically perfect, because politics is a shitshow and America is quite often a mess. Still! There’s a lot I do agree with. And I think some progress is still good. Slow, incremental progress is not ideal, but it is better than, again, the sheer nightmare agenda put forth by the other side, an agenda that would not only not take us forward but actually hits reverse so hard we’re going to be driving backward down the highway into onrushing traffic at 90 MPH. Or, to put it like I did before: one road is bumpy, but gets us there; the other road is a dark pit.
And this is going to be true whether or not Biden stays in the race or drops out. It’s honestly true whether or not Trump keels over, too. Both sides at this point remain who they are. One side wants to dismantle everything and grudge-fuck our freedoms into the dirt, transferring as much wealth to themselves before the whole thing burns down. The other wants to move us forward, even if it’s at a pace I wish were a little fucking snappier.
That’s it. That’s the choice ahead of us.
I see you have questions. Let’s have at ’em.
But shouldn’t Biden step down and let someone else take over?
Again, not the point of this post, but okay, I’ll play! I’m a goof and may not have all the best inclinations or information, but my view is —
No, he should not. He had a bad debate. I don’t care at this point. He has the magic of incumbency and, though I’d prefer he be bolder about declaring it, a relatively successful presidency. I mean, the infrastructure bill was huge and you ask climate scientists, it did more to combat climate change than anything else that came before it (even as, yes, it falls short, because once more we are talking about America where progress is often quite incremental). He’s been exceedingly pro-labor. His efforts with student loans were effective, even when they were constantly halted — he kept on, and found ways around, and so far has tackled $160 billion in student loans. He put forth the most diverse slate of judicial nominees in history. Hey, just look at this list of 30 things he’s accomplished that you didn’t even know about — and it includes stuff about weed regs, small food providers, cancer research, union support, AI monitoring, sustainable energy, countering junk fees and overdraft charges. Honestly useful, important stuff. Seriously: read it!
We’re looking at a successful four years. He’s been a far, far better president than I had expected him to be, even as I take issue with him on a lot of things. I really, really thought his presidency was going to be a sad balloon farting a deflation circuit around the room and… it wasn’t.
But he’s old —
Yeah, no, we know. I dunno. So’s the other guy, and the other guy is a nightmare who we already had as president.
But he’s not as sharp as he once was —
Yeah, no, we know. Again —
We’re voting for the administration and agenda, not just the one guy.
The other guy is as sharp as a diaper full of cottage cheese. Also: nightmare!
And one debate shouldn’t doom him. Honestly, he shouldn’t even do the debates. He’s given a lot of talks and rallies and interviews since and… he’s fine, he knows what he’s talking about. He stammers and sounds old because he is old, but whatever, he’s antediluvian and still probably in better shape than I am. I look at his schedule and I want a nap.
Besides, we re-elected Reagan, and it was an open secret that his brain was turning to meatloaf, okay?
But wouldn’t we have more support for a younger, sharper nominee?
Ohhh, ho ho ho, not necessarily. First, who? Who is going to be the ideal nominee? Harris? There’s this myth that “the left” really wants her, would get behind her, but I remember when “the left” was very eager to call her Kamala The Cop, and if you ask me, she’s pretty vulnerable on that. Besides, you vote for Biden, you still get Harris. It’s a solid incumbency.
Also, the GOP has said plainly they’ll do whatever they can do to monkey-wrench any proceedings going forward, issuing legal challenges. They’ll throw whatever Molotov Cocktails they can into the mix.
Finally, it’s a myth you’re going to find a candidate that won’t present new problems — one of those problems being trying to introduce themselves to the country just 120ish days before an election. You know how I know they’ll have problems? Because they’ll be a Democrat in America. Some of the things you’re probably mad at Biden about? Yeah they probably agree with him or, worse, are to his right on the issue.
My view is, cliches are usually junk but one sticks out: you don’t switch horses mid-stream. This is that. Stay on the horse. Ride it forward, get to the other side — or the waters could sweep you away.
But what about third parties —
I’m going to stop you there. It’s not going to happen. A third party vote is a vote flung into a rotten tree stump. I too wish for a more variegated party system here in America, as they have in nearly every other country in the world, but currently? We do not and that will not change in the next 120 days. There is a time for being aspirational in this regard and trying to affect change (ranked choice voting, for instance, is a good thing to fight for), and that time is right after we re-elect Joe Biden (or whoever the candidate is) for the next four years. And there is a time to recognize the reality of the battlefield in front of us, and that time is right now.
But I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, so what then?
Again, I want more than two choices, too, and further, I’d love it if there was a candidate who was literally perfect, a glorious moral unicorn, effulgent in the dawn, who hurt nobody and helps everyone and is basically Mister Rogers. Sadly, government and politics is a messy business who, at the worst, attracts a certain kind of power-hungry nightmare and, at the best, is a muddy domestic-global mess that requires hard choices every day — a series of infinite trolley problems, ever unspooling.
More to the point, I don’t see Biden as a lesser evil, or an evil at all — I see him as a woefully imperfect president running a sometimes awful country that when pushed, aspires to be better than it is, and I wish he made different choices when it comes to Gaza and I wish he were a better and more vigorous defender of abortion and of the various axes of marginalized folk, but I also recognize that there are few presidents who would’ve handled those things differently or better — and, further, the other guy would handle all that stuff way way worse, so, again, I dunno. The perfect cannot be the enemy of the good in this election. I know we want to drive the car forward as fast as we can, but the road is bumpy and the car is older and crankier than we’d like. But we can still drive it forward.
Okay, fine, so I’m just not going to vote —
Not voting is voting. You’re just voting for the worst of the two. Candidates aren’t products — you can’t boycott them to any effect. Listen, I’m not a person who will be sympathetic to you if you’re telling me you’re not voting. The right to vote is a privilege and to my mind, an obligation, one that has been fought for and bled for and is already poorly, poorly defended for our most marginalized voters — so if you take the privilege you have to vote and throw it away, you’re kind of a dick.
But I cannot morally vote for Joe Biden, so what then?
Then I guess you don’t vote, and you have your principles. I get it, I do, you gotta do what feels right. But I mean, you’re here in this country and, I presume, you pay your taxes, so you’re at least somewhat complicit either way in the good and the bad of this nation. And if your morality is the kind that allows someone like Trump in, who will usher in a far worse world, who will surely accelerate climate change? Then I think we are going to be of divergent philosophies as to how one defends one’s principles effectively without it being more than just a performance.
Anyway, that’s it.
We are at an existential tipping point.
Project 2025 is terrifying and real.
Let’s vote to move forward, not drive straight into the pit.
Comments are open until I need to close them.
terribleminds says:
(Needless to say also, downballot races are crucial and you should be voting at every strata of this election, and if you really, really cannot stomach voting in or for the presidential side of things, at least show up at the polls and give it your all for the downballots. Ok bye.)
July 10, 2024 — 11:54 AM
HJ Brandt says:
From your lips to you-know-who’s ear… Thanks! (Again)
July 10, 2024 — 2:55 PM
Brian says:
Thanks, Chuck. Came to the comments to say this. Yeah the GOP has been working the long game with the state legislatures for a while now. It helps them with creating voting laws and gerrymandering and could be important at some point if they get enough states to pass amendments. This is something we can’t lose sight of.
July 10, 2024 — 3:00 PM
innerspacegirl says:
it’s like a trip into my own private brain-thoughts, Chuck.
July 10, 2024 — 11:58 AM
amniehaushardc502c6b138 says:
First past the post voting means that just, statistically, a 3rd party candidate is never going to make it to the highest office. (There’s MATH that proves it — we spent a week on this in stats class.) Down-ballot voting is crucial, and it’s only there that any third party candidate is going to claw their way upwards.
Americans tend to think that the candidate they vote for should represent their interests ENTIRELY and 100%, and that’s just not ever going to happen. We have forgotten that even the Constitution was more of a compromise-stituion. And the only way we even got that was because somebody locked the doors on a summer day and said “we’re not leaving here until we have a plan for ruling this new country of ours.” People made compromises, and here we are.
At this point (and maybe it’s been that way since I started voting, in the mid 80s) but at least at this point we’re not really voting for PEOPLE but platforms. If you think Project 2025 is a great idea, you know which platform to vote for. If you like having the freedom to read and write and, ya know, live your life, you know which platform to vote for. Honestly though, at this point I can no longer believe there are legit “undecided” voters.
July 10, 2024 — 12:02 PM
Stretch says:
I’ll be very interested to see the math on that.
July 16, 2024 — 3:21 PM
ksb says:
You are saying all the things I am thinking. I will only add that I’ve never felt more helpless in an election. I have only the one vote and it’s the people who won’t vote, whatever their reasons, that will doom the rest of us. Just vote, people. Please vote. If every eligible person actually voted and thought carefully about that vote, I think we’d be okay. It’s honestly not that much to ask.
July 10, 2024 — 12:04 PM
Angry says:
I also feel super helpless, due to the electoral college, which was specifically created to reify racism (among other things). But I’m still gonna vote. Especially for those local initiatives!
July 10, 2024 — 6:43 PM
tony says:
No matter what anyone else says, my take: Well said. Now to hope those who need to read this, do so, and take it to heart, no matter their final decision.
Thanks for this!
July 10, 2024 — 12:05 PM
Amy Martin says:
This is 100% how I feel. Thanks for sharing.
July 10, 2024 — 12:10 PM
Bill Engleson says:
You have my Canadian support, Chuck. Here in Canada, we have much younger leaders on both sides…well, there are more than 2 sides…of the equation. Similar issues with perhaps a slightly lesser degree of antipathy.
July 10, 2024 — 12:14 PM
Kelly Simmons says:
You make so much sense, as always! My brother told me once (and I’m sure he didn’t write this himself):Voting for president is taking the bus. No bus will ever deliver you to your door. You just get on the one that takes you closest to home.
July 10, 2024 — 12:18 PM
Clark Carlton says:
If the Democratic nominee for president is a bucket of puke, I will vote for it over Trump. But Biden will lose against Trump — it’s a matter of perception and something born out in the latest polls. We all saw in the debate that neither candidate is in condition to take on the “hardest job in the world” and Tangerine Mussolini has never been fit for the office. In the U.K. and other nations, campaigns for the highest office are a mere six weeks. We have time to present another more electable candidate, someone who can squash Orange Shitler and prevent his proto-fascist regime. Outside of the war in Gaza and some other issues, Biden has served us well and the best way to serve us next is to pass the torch. I hope as Americans we have learned the lesson that age matters when it comes to electing our highest official.
The decision to step down is Biden’s to make if we want to prevent an internal battle in the Democratic Party. I hope Joe still has capacity to make the right decision. We can’t delude ourselves and say that the man we saw at the debate last week is capable of being the leader of the U.S. and the Free World for four more years.
July 10, 2024 — 12:24 PM
terribleminds says:
I don’t agree with you, and I don’t think polls do much at all for us at this point — most realistic polls show the debate, like always, had little impact on people’s perceptions. We are being fed the same kind of garbage pushed into our mouths re: Clinton, and once again, by the NYT, who loves to push America into a dramatic tangle to further its aims.
Biden stepping down isn’t just easy. And there’s very few candidates who are going to step forward and actually take the mantle. Newsom was thought to be one, but he has huge baggage and was also just literally in my neighborhood promoting… Biden. AOC and Omar, promoting Biden. It’s Biden. It’s gonna be Biden, unless something really dramatic happens.
As for if Biden is in fact fit to run the country, he is currently running the country, and has a record to run on.
All that being said? Yes, he’s too old, and shouldn’t have run again, I don’t disagree, and if — IF — someone replaces him, of course that person has my vote, unless it’s just Trump in a wig or something. Er, a different wig, I guess.
July 10, 2024 — 12:29 PM
Angry says:
I would vote for an empty wig over Trump.
July 10, 2024 — 6:45 PM
John Harding says:
I mostly agree with Clark. But I expect Biden will stay at this point. IMO, the benefit of switching has already diminished. The way to have made lemonade after this (again, IM(worthless)O – is to have Biden have said “yeah, you’re right, and I was right when I said I’ll only do it one term. This is a young person’s job Kamila is our VP, she’s next.”
About the only thing I disagree with Chuck is that Biden’s interviews, speeches and meetings show that he’s fit for the job. Those are all a lot different than a high-stakes televised debate. Should the former be considered more important than the latter. Yup. But are they seen that way with the voting public? It would appear not.
Is she “better” than Biden? Nope. But she’s earned it and deserves it when the person at the top falters.
But that ain’t gonna happen.
I also think Biden will lose to Trump because of
(a) the media’s obsession with a one-story-to-rule-them-all approach and that spotlight is on “OMG-did-you-see-the-dumpster-fire-of-a-debate”?
(b) a reasonably large proportion of the electorate vote merely on perception and nothing else. As much as I agree with everything Chuck writes and likely share his politics (ladder-voting FTW!) – you can’t change that fact in 120 days (or probably 120 years). Trying to do so with well meaning “but look at his record” peices is about as effective as King Canutes beach-holiday.
I also think it will be a low turnout.
And thus, I do think calls to folks to vote no matter what will help though. So, thank-you Mr. Wendig!! I agree 1000% with all that. Vote. Vote Democrat. Vote early. Vote often.
Of course, even if I didn’t love Chuck’s take I’d still really value his input.
Good luck!
Vote. Vote Democrat. Vote early. Vote often.
July 10, 2024 — 1:05 PM
John Harding says:
Oh, BTW, in case you were wondering (which you weren’t) – I think polls are a complete waste of time. Even the ones that show flickers of hope. It’s my understanding (and PLEASE correct me if I’m wrong) that the way they create the pool of who to canvas is basically broken because of cellphones, spam calls and/or texting, spam texts.
July 10, 2024 — 1:13 PM
terribleminds says:
Also, there’s this: https://news.northeastern.edu/2024/07/09/biden-debate-performance-voter-preferences/
July 10, 2024 — 2:56 PM
Morgan says:
I’d be surprised if anyone reading here disagrees with you, Chuck. Our way of life in this country has been on the ballot for *checks notes* twelve years now. It shouldn’t be this close or this difficult. It should be a no-brainer. But nearly half the country feels like the proper way to kill a spider is to burn the whole goddam house down.
July 10, 2024 — 12:26 PM
Cindy McKee says:
Awesome as ever Chuck. Agree 100 0/0.
July 11, 2024 — 5:00 PM
Rosanne G says:
So, I pulled my head out of the sand long enough to read your entertaining and terrifying commentary. I’ll vote for the old dog instead of the rapid dog.
July 10, 2024 — 12:27 PM
k2writesbooks says:
Thank you for this.
July 10, 2024 — 12:47 PM
Kate Bracy says:
Agree with every word. Scared out of my mind.
Wrote about it, too, but pretty sure I’m singing to a very small choir.
Thanks for weighing in!
July 10, 2024 — 12:58 PM
Jemima Pett says:
Both the UK and France staggered through… let’s make it three in a row. We’re right(left and centre) behind you.
Love from across the Pond.
July 10, 2024 — 1:01 PM
Dr. Mike Desing says:
You’re generally right (duh), but I’m concerned that the only ones doing any critical thinking about this are on ‘our side’. My family members who support Trump and will vote for him are incapable of having a discussion on any of the issues. They immediately respond with anger and lies as soon as these issues come up. Unfortunately, a significant portion of the country truly believes that liberals represent an existential threat (because that is what the echo chamber has told them), and cannot step outside of that and answer the legitimate question of how and why. They don’t know, and they don’t care to know. They’re voting out of fear. I understand that many on ‘our side’ are voting out of fear as well, but it’s a healthy fear derived from experience, not a fight or flight animal instinct level of fear that short-circuits reason. The concern I have is the blank check that these people write to their chosen leaders, and the primal fear that drives it. That’s bigger than Trump or even Project 2025. It’s a core value.
July 10, 2024 — 1:10 PM
Hey Kayt says:
Listen, others here can argue the merits of your rationale. However, “The other guy is as sharp as a diaper full of cottage cheese” was the best thing I’ve read on the topic this week. Thanks for the laugh and the points of consideration.
July 10, 2024 — 1:30 PM
Cat Rue says:
YES! Same!!! :rofl:
July 10, 2024 — 3:13 PM
literacy2af8648f6db says:
Came here to say this exact thing! that’s an image I won’t forget for a long time.
And I completely agree. It’s terrifying to even consider having Diaper Cheese as president again. He would do so much damage–there’d be no “adult in the room” this time, I fear.
July 10, 2024 — 7:38 PM
Debi Gliori says:
From the other side of the pond, you speak sense. There’s been a whole lot of speak on this subject, especially post-debate. But yes, one party candidate represents slow and stumbling progress and t’other is a revenge ego-machine with some fucking weird and deadly notions pin-balling around his mainly empty head.
But we are all watching America because what y’all decide will affect us all.
May hope and common sense prevail. Fun fact: I published a kid’s book on the same day as Trump was elected to office. Name of the book – Goodnight World. A total coinkydink but still…even illustrators have the gift of prophecy.
July 10, 2024 — 1:33 PM
David Corbett says:
Thank you. To offer another cliché–The perfect is the enemy of the good. I don’t care who the Democratic Party’s nominee is, this is a plebiscite on Trump and Trumpism, encapsulated in Project 2025. Though a numerical minority, the current GOP has figured out how to game the system through the courts and the “unitary executive” so that its power cannot be reasonably challenged once it is acquired. As for the election, they’re hoping to gum up the works so bad in a few key states that the results “cannot be reliably certified,” denying either candidate with the 270 electoral college votes needed to claim victory. At that point, it goes to the House, with each state getting one vote–and guess which party has more states with their reps in the majority? If it goes tht route, Trump wins. They cooked this up in 2020, now they think that have a much better game plan, with the bodies to carry it out. If that’s not how you want your country to run, the choice is exactly as you have explained.
July 10, 2024 — 1:38 PM
TCinLA says:
People who can’t “morally vote for” Biden are voting for Trump and everything they claim they “morally” don’t want. I did that back in 1968, not voting for Humphrey. That gave us four more years of Vietnam with the majority of casualties, finally resulting in a “peace” agreement less good than the one LBJ had negotiated in 1968. It also gave us Nixon, which put us on the Road To Trump.
Don’t let Perfect be the enemy of Good Enough, especially when compared to Existentially Terrifying.
July 10, 2024 — 1:42 PM
CE Nelson says:
If I were scripting this election:
1. Biden stays in, wins in November.
2. After Inauguration Day, he resigns, making Harris POTUS (Republicans will lose their minds)
3. Harris’ first “official act” as POTUS? Pardon Hunter Biden. (Republicans explode en masse)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
July 10, 2024 — 2:09 PM
Seth G says:
I’m not feeling terribly confident about the outcome of this election. Young people I know are angry with Biden, especially over the Gaza debacle. They also don’t love Harris for the reasons you mentioned. I’ve tried framing the issue as you have with them, but they’re still too mad.
I blame this situation on 3 things:
1) The DNC for being completely ineffective and continuing to float candidates like it’s the 1990’s. The Establishment ™ have no idea that they are completely out of touch with their strongest potential voter base (who are way left of where they think they need to be) and keep trying to win undecided and centrist R voters, and that’s never going to happen.
2) The current state of news media, which is higher on the “media” part and lower on the “news”. Instead of pointing out facts and real problems, they continue to focus on the angst-driven topic of the day, the frivolous instead of the real.
3) Astroturfing social media bots, supported by nation-states and other entities that wish to see us fall and the world with us, riling up anger just for the sake of doing so and disrupting enough reality to make it nearly impossible to discern the truth.
Unless these three things change (hell, even just one of them would be nice) I don’t see us being able to get out of this situation. So yeah, I’m not feeling great watching it spiral down the drain into outright fascism. I’m not optimistic enough to think that we can avoid it.
July 10, 2024 — 2:32 PM
Stretch says:
I am not a Trump guy, at all, but Project 2025 is Heritage Foundation thing. Trump has posted that he is against it.
July 10, 2024 — 2:35 PM
terribleminds says:
Trump lies with every breath. The entire agenda has his fingerprints all over it. Including an obvious and alarming number of his staff. C’mon. Don’t be a sucker.
July 10, 2024 — 2:39 PM
Stretch says:
I disagree that I am a sucker, but if I vote Biden this time, I will never vote for a Republicrat again and you cannot give me grief over it. Every election is the most important one of all time. If just 10% of a third party gets federal funding, the game changes.
I’d offer that you stump for the Dems to give us better candidates to vote for.
July 10, 2024 — 2:50 PM
Stretch says:
*If a third party gets just 10% of the vote, they get federal funding
Didn’t have my 2PM coffee today.
July 10, 2024 — 2:51 PM
Jessica H says:
Do you work within your local Democrat Party? Or any party? I’m not being snide, I’m legitimately asking. I spent the first part of my career working in politics, and I quit out of frustration with the Dem Party. When I moved to Colorado in 2008, I even changed my registration to Independent because I was so irritated and angry with the DNC and the way they handled candidates pre-Obama–and I was a little meh even on him. I always voted Dem regardless of my registration because that was who was closest to my ideals, and I remained frustrated; I’m far more left than the DNC and probably most registered Dems in general. But you know what happened when I left the party? Nothing. Nothing changed. I sympathize with your frustration about Biden and Dems, but if you want better candidates either within the Dem Party or something like the Democratic Socialists, you have to put in the work. That’s not the general you, that’s you-you. And everyone you know that agrees with you has to do it too. The Dems and the GOP are old–they are iterations of the very first political parties in America, and they’ve had a long time to establish themselves as players, develop nationwide infrastructure, culture fundraising, and attract support. If you want to change the direction of the aircraft-carrier heft of the Dem Party, it takes a lot of work and it doesn’t happen overnight, and sitting out elections or voting non-viable third parties for presidential elections will not change them. Even if a third party got 10% of the vote (which would come at the cost of your nearest major party losing), there’s no way they’d be able to compete with the insanely powerful fundraising apparatuses of the major parties. Those major party candidates refuse federal funding because what they earn privately dwarfs the federal support. Obama’s war chest was near a billion dollars. Not an exaggeration.
Especially because federal funding comes with strings, like current regulations only allow for candidates using federal funds to spend no more than $30mil in California, for example, for the general election. That is a far smaller amount than what the major parties spend, and each state has a limit like that. The support for better candidates has to come from the ground up, because the DNC isn’t going to change their game unless they see change happening inside their own house. Maybe you know all this already, in which case I’m sorry for assuming you didn’t, but I think it’s something that needs to be addressed, because protest votes don’t actually have the impact you want them to
July 10, 2024 — 4:57 PM
Stretch says:
I don’t vote Republicrat. Only time I ever did was for Kerry in 2004. I will vote Biden because I see it as a way to save the Republic.
That said, neither Dem nor GOP give a hill of beans about me. I am not a rich business owner nor a 6-figure donor. Socialists aren’t the answer, neither are Republicrats. Going forward, I will vote third party and do what I can to help us get ranked choice voting, but I will be going third party from 2028 on, and no one is allowed to give me grief.
July 11, 2024 — 9:00 PM
Joel Austin says:
This is one of the best takes I’ve seen. As someone who has been very disheartened and felt broken since 2016 with Bernie, I appreciate such a thoughtful response. It’s an actual strategy which is something the online liberals seem not to have. I can’t stomach the thought of Trump and a fall into fascism (I am further left than anyone I know) it’s been equally hard to stomach continuing to support a party that refuses to work for the people they are tasked to represent but I admittedly haven’t been involved with the party in a significant way since 2016. This has given me a lot to consider though. I will still likely vote stein because, unfortunately, live in Kansas and our state will be giving the 6 electoral votes to Trump.. but getting involved in the Democratic Party and hopefully being aloud to push more progressive views can help. Thank you for participating in this.
July 23, 2024 — 6:48 PM
Laura says:
His last administration “embraced” the Heritage Foundation. So there’s that.
July 10, 2024 — 2:42 PM
John says:
Really good commentary, Chuck. Cursing and all.
July 10, 2024 — 2:40 PM
Budd Trippet says:
Thanks Chuck! No Ed Creel in 2025! Ranked choice voting is in Alaska and Maine – tow independent thing placed. The Gumball party would be my choice, but I agree that we still have and continue to have two parties, like it or not. I choose the bumpy road.
July 10, 2024 — 2:44 PM
Budd Trippet says:
bad typo from me. I meant “two independent thinking places” ONWARD
July 10, 2024 — 2:48 PM
Stretch says:
Amen, Budd! We need more independent thought in this world.
July 10, 2024 — 3:11 PM
Laura says:
I think the majority agree with you. I sure do! Thank you for this clear-headed piece; it’s logical, practical, and difficult to argue against (with any veracity).
July 10, 2024 — 2:54 PM
Cat Rue says:
Thank you, Chuck!
July 10, 2024 — 3:15 PM
Tanya Stewart says:
I’m 67 years old, and I quit voting for the lesser of two evils (or weevils, if you’ve watched “Captain and Commander” one too many times) after voting for Obama, hoping for actual change, and getting instead, more “trickle down.” Bernie Sanders was my write-in candidate for 2016 and 2020, after he’d gotten shafted both times by the corporate Dems, and I will vote for Cornel West on the Indie ticket, because I’m curious to find out how a passionate philosopher, versus a couple of integrity-deficient babbling heads, would create the real changes this country sorely needs. I’ve lived more of my life than I realistically have left to me, and I will follow my heart and my conscience to the end.
July 10, 2024 — 3:40 PM
terribleminds says:
You might as well have said “I’m voting for this toilet,” and then just flushed your vote down into the porcelain tornado. But you do you, I guess.
July 10, 2024 — 3:46 PM
Barbara Seiders says:
Thank you for this thoughtful essay! Spot on.
July 10, 2024 — 3:48 PM
civilservant says:
Thanks, Chuck. Again, you have a great way of summing things up and getting to the heart of the matter. Also speaking as someone who now has ranked choice voting in her state, I can highly recommend it and encourage others to push for it.
July 10, 2024 — 4:05 PM
Melissa L Ritchard says:
I agree. That is all!
July 10, 2024 — 4:07 PM
Michelle says:
Can you forward this to Jon Stewart? Or can somebody? That guy needs NOT HELPING branded on his forehead and to be shoved back into retirement.
July 10, 2024 — 4:35 PM
James Ball III says:
You are an inspiration.
July 10, 2024 — 4:53 PM
James Madara says:
OK, Chuck. I’ll be the lone voice of dissent. First, everyone votes for the lesser of two evils. I claim neither party. They don’t work for us. They work for a big war, big pharma, and big business and are perfectly happy with us fighting over who gets to use the lady’s room.
Second, stop watching MSNBC and the legacy media. Fox included. They all have a narrative to push. I know the liberals are scared, but Project 2025 is nothing more than a wet dream from a conservative think tank. Most of their ridiculous suggestions require changing the constitution, which won’t happen.
Third, you change horses in the middle of the race when you realize your horse isn’t going to make it to the finish line. The establishment will do everything possible to remove him—case in point: George Clooney. The guy recently raised $30 million for Joe, and now he’s trying to get him to step down.
I know why you hate Trump. I understand. He’s an asshole with a huge ego, and his reality distortion field is HUGE. I believe he believes he loves this country, and he’s always been a shrewd businessman. Most developers are. I wish our choices were better, but here we are.
I think the left needs to get past vilifying those who voted for Trump, and the right should stop trying to ‘own the Libs.’ It’s time we stop letting politics divide us.
July 10, 2024 — 4:54 PM
Stretch says:
Well said! And as Max Lerner reminds us, the lesser of two evils is still evil
July 10, 2024 — 5:36 PM
Lynne Connolly says:
A reasonable answer, with one caveat – Trump is not, and has never been, a shrewd businessman. He’s good with lawyers, that’s all, which is why so many big companies informally blacklisted him instead of going public with it. I worked for one of the biggest companies in the world, and internally, he was blocked from doing business. He was a bad debtor, unethical and incompetent. And ran company after company into bankruptcy until he had nowhere to go. That was when they gave him a TV show to keep him busy.
July 11, 2024 — 8:10 AM
terribleminds says:
I had thought to put together a lot of response to this, James, but you lost me at calling Trump a shrewd businessman who loves America. At this point I don’t think we’re going to agree on much, and I’m not going to find a way to drive you from what is, to me, a frankly deluded notion about the man.
July 11, 2024 — 9:59 AM
Fatman says:
@ James Madara:
“Most of their ridiculous suggestions require changing the constitution, which won’t happen.”
Not so.
All Project 2025 needs to succeed is a Supreme Court loaded with clerofascist sleeper agents willing to reintepret the Constitution in whatever way suits their paymasters (literal paymasters – at least two of the Supremes are unabashedly accepting bribes for services rendered).
We already know that Trump’s appointees to the SC are more that happy to do exactly that… because they’ve been doing it, openly, in our faces. Without even bothering to draw so much as a scrim of legality or legal reasoning over their decisions.
One of them flew the flag of treason over his front door in support of the 1/6 terrorist attack, FFS.
The Constitution is no barrier to Project 2025 – merely a piece of paper to be invoked or dismissed, depending on need.
July 11, 2024 — 11:37 AM
James Madara says:
I disagree. While the conservatives hold the majority of the Supremes, they have not marched in lockstep with Trump. Roberts, Barrett, and even Kavanaugh have split at times. Also, our constitution has a separation of powers for a reason. Project 2025 is a joke and these are not serious people.
July 11, 2024 — 12:54 PM
Fatman says:
@ James Madara:
“While the conservatives hold the majority of the Supremes, they have not marched in lockstep with Trump.”
They do not need to “march in lockstep with Trump”. The conservatives on the SC follow their own agenda, which is in line with the agenda of the Heritage Foundation. One of them has proven ties with (i.e. has received inducements from) the HF.
“Project 2025 is a joke and these are not serious people.”
Five of the six conservatives are members (current or former) of the Federalist Society, whose goals align with that of the HF. Several of the cases they have ruled on thus far are paving the way for Project 2025 to become a reality.
Ten or so years ago, no one would have taken white supremacy or Jim Crow V2.0 seriously. Any politician trotting out actual Nazi arguments (e.g. demographic replacement or “white genocide”) would have been roundly scorned and laughed at. Look where we are today – GOP politicians who reject this sort of deplorable garbage are censured by the actual RNC and receive death threats from their own voting base.
You’re entitled to disagree, but your disagreement is not based on facts, and therefore does not constitute an argument.
July 11, 2024 — 2:24 PM
Lena says:
You seem to be under the misguided impression that the Constitution is some magically indestructible force rather than an (imperfect, outdated, open-to-interpretation) set of norms that people have politely agreed to abide by for a mere couple hundred years.
Dictatorships are notoriously uninterested in preserving norms. They don’t have to amend the Constitution to carry out their agenda. They simply have to throw it out.
July 14, 2024 — 10:34 PM
LMcCJ says:
It’s frightening that there are Undecided voters at this point. How can that be?
July 10, 2024 — 6:34 PM
Heather J says:
Yes to all of this.
July 10, 2024 — 10:33 PM
Laura Hazelwood says:
Thanks. Spot on with my own thoughts.
July 11, 2024 — 6:20 AM
Lynne Connolly says:
The problem is – Biden isn’t going to beat Trump, and to undecided voters, it comes down to that. His popularity ratings have plummeted, and continue to do so. Stick with Biden, and he will not come through. Also, he’s an old man who deserves a few years of peace and quiet. He won’t last 4 years in the most stressful job in the world.
At the time of Reagan’s presidency, nobody had any idea that he had dementia. That came out years later. He was old, but he was a better actor than Biden, and the media wasn’t all-pervasive back then.
July 11, 2024 — 8:05 AM
Lynne Connolly says:
BTW, the world leaders have now had a chance to interact with Biden.
July 11, 2024 — 8:11 AM
terribleminds says:
I did not know I was speaking to a bonafide prophet!
Listen, there’s no way to know what will happen on election night. Polls are unreliable, and anecdotal notions such as you’re positing hold zero water — I don’t know what will come, and you don’t know. Biden could run, and crush it, and be the hero. He could drop out, and the new candidate could lose, which he’ll shoulder the blame for. He could stay in and lose, he could drop out and the new candidate could win big. We are at a point of chaotic inflection and it is useless to speculate beyond the things we know.
The things we know are, Biden is the incumbent, which traditionally provides some shelter in the second election — nobody thought we’d re-elect Dubya, but drum roll please, we sure did. Biden also has a strong record to run on. And he comes pre-packaged with Harris ANYWAY, so if he tanks at any point in the next four, we get Harris already.
On the debate, here’s a quote: “…the president’s rambling responses and apparent occasional confusion injected an unpredictable new element into the race.” Sorry, to be clear, that’s not Biden we’re talking about — that’s a quote about REAGAN’S first disastrous debate during his re-election campaign, and from it spawned articles like, Is Oldest U.S President Now Showing His Age? and Reagan Debate Performance Invites Open Speculation on His Ability to Serve. ‘The article quoted two gerontologists calling for cognitive testing and a management consultant and Reagan voter who said he would not recommend the incumbent for a corporate presidency, let alone the White House.’
And Reagan won in a landslide.
So, we don’t know what’s to come but we have a little historical precedent to lean on.
Also, aren’t you in the UK?
— c.
July 11, 2024 — 9:57 AM
Fatman says:
Reagan wasn’t as deeply unpopular on the eve of the election, though. Biden’s approval ratings are currently worse than Trump’s in 2020 – and that’s after Trump’s economy tanked and Trump’s mismanagement of the COVID-19 pandemic killed 700K Americans.
“nobody thought we’d re-elect Dubya, but drum roll please, we sure did”
Dubya averaged around 60% positive ratings over his first term. Biden’s approval rating is currently in the 30s. Granted, Trump doesn’t fare well either. But MAGAts will turn out and vote for him regardless. I don’t believe that the undecided portion of the electorate has the information (or, to be frank, the IQ) to really comprehend what’s at stake in this election. Here’s hoping I’m proven wrong, because from where I’m standing the prospects look pretty grim.
July 11, 2024 — 4:36 PM
rissatoo says:
Thank you, Chuck.
July 11, 2024 — 8:53 AM
janinmi says:
For folks like myself who have physical and mental health issues that are exacerbated by stress, the threat posed by another DT “presidency” is significant. It’s a little fire burning in the back of my mind, 24/7.
I think there should be an age maximum and a physical/mental health screening requirement (if there isn’t one already for the latter) on running for president. For someone campaigning to serve in the highest office we have, it seems like common sense, not ageism. I’m 68.
That change is very unlikely to happen in my lifetime.
July 11, 2024 — 11:00 AM
janinmi says:
I will vote Dem all the way although I’m registered Independent, because it’s the only viable option I see right now for this country’s survival.
July 11, 2024 — 11:02 AM
M. Oniker says:
That’s what this all boils down to: “it’s [voting Biden/Dem] is the ONLY viable option…for this country’s survival.”
ONLY viable option. For survival. It is STUPID and immoral and a billion other horrible things to elect Trump, whether that is by directly voting for him (and those who are going to do that are too far gone by now), or by sideways electing him by either not voting or going third party. People can wish that the situation was different and their “protest” votes will “show the mythical them” but that is delusional and uneducated and morally bankrupt. Anyone who claims they don’t realize that not voting and/or third party voting relieves them of the complicity for electing Trump is either stupid or disingenuous, regardless of age or anything else.
July 12, 2024 — 7:19 AM
Destiny says:
Well said, thanks for spelling it out so clearly. I hope Gen Z gets the message that 3rd party voting is not going to help in this election. I hope everyone who’s been sleepwalking through all of this will wake up and recognize the horror for what it is.
I’m trying to stay strong, but the panic attacks are unrelenting. If these right wing extremists take power I won’t survive. The people I love won’t survive. The entire planet might not survive. I’ve had cancer three times and I’m still breathing, but this looming fascist threat is far deadlier.
July 12, 2024 — 7:40 AM
Avery says:
Excellent words on presenting what is before all of us! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
July 12, 2024 — 6:35 PM
Cheryl says:
Thank you. God I hope somebod(ies) are listening.
July 13, 2024 — 9:18 AM
Sandra Tokarski says:
Thank you for your clear thinking and writing on this terrifying situation.
July 15, 2024 — 6:02 AM
Chad Bunch says:
This is actually exactly what I needed to hear….
July 15, 2024 — 2:01 PM
Amanda says:
Thank you – this is exactly what I’ve been trying to verbalize. The news cycle is exhausting, and I’m so disappointed with the party – what is the point of coming out and calling for a president to step out of a race right before conventions start and only months before the actual election. Now is the time to double-down on the candidate they’ve chosen, and plan to pick better the next election cycle.
July 16, 2024 — 11:04 AM
J. Harris says:
Re-listening to Wanderers. JD Vance’s body language makes me think of podcast Matthew Bird, like he is being held hostage.
July 22, 2024 — 10:44 AM
Book Hogs says:
Have you seen this? https://writersforblue.com/
Support for Kamala Harris
August 7, 2024 — 10:06 PM
DelcoDan says:
Love this post. Over the years, bearing witness to the agendas of both major parties, I’ve often thought of them in literary terms…. specifically “what if the U.S. was actually the island from The Lord of the Flies”? The GOP is clearly Team Jack– bullies at their core, out to exploit the limited resources of the island and take whatever they can with little (or no) regard for those who aren’t strong enough to resist. Dems are Team Ralph– idealists who (mostly) believe that everyone can and should work together towards a common good, who consider our limited resources as there to benefit the survival of all. With few exceptions, most GOPers I know fit the Jack “mold”, particularly their views on immigration, socialism and greed-based capitalism. I’d like to think that most reasonably-intelligent, decent-minded folks who’ve read the book were rooting for Team Ralph (particularly towards the end) while being sickened and angered by the savagery of Team Jack. If you vote for Trump this election cycle, in my opinion, you’re Team Jack.
September 3, 2024 — 4:57 PM