For a while, I was really hesitant to call myself a feminist.
Not because I dismissed the idea of feminism or the cause of feminism or the history that is baked into the movement — but because I didn’t feel like it was a title that I had earned. I didn’t feel like it was my space to share. I didn’t feel like a very good feminist, really — I got things wrong then, still get them wrong now. I still possess the privilege that comes with being male and sometimes that means my privilege blinds me to behaviors or language that can be hurtful (not merely offensive, which I accept and embrace, but hurtful, which by my mileage works to diminish and damage others). And so it felt a bit fakey-fakey, like I was a heathen in a church pulpit, a meat-eater at a vegan restaurant. I thought, oh, you’ve actually struggled with the mantle of feminism. Me, it’s no struggle at all. I can waltz in, put on the hat and the nametag, give a couple of thumbs-up and boom, FEMINIST. It costs me nothing. It’s so easy. Too easy.
I was more comfortable calling myself an ally, then — as if I was a member of another nation entirely willing to support your nation’s coalition. “Yes, of course I’ll vote for that,” I say from my mountaintop lair at in the capital of Mansylvania. “Please place your feminist agenda in front of me and I will rubber-stamp it. Whatever you need, please, consider me your ally.”
But that’s horseshit, really.
Not the part where I support feminism, but the part where I consider myself separate from it.
Because of course I’m not separate from it. (And this is where I ask you to forgive those dudes who suddenly figure it out by extending their empathy to those women around them — mothers, daughters, wives. This is their first step into realizing that they’re not separate, that they’re part of it. Be gentle with them and give them time to see that it’s not just about their own family and friends but extends out to everybody, to all women. Empathy is not always immediate and far-reaching, and sometimes it starts with those closest to you.)
Emma Watson gave a resonant, heart-struck speech about feminism at the UN (the entire text of that speech can be found here), and made it very clear that gender inequality was an issue for men, too. She threaded the inequalities that affect men into the inequalities women face, and made feminism an overall human issue. Feminism through that lens isn’t just about being pro-woman, but also about correcting the overall imbalance — because though men have privilege, the wibbly-wonky gender imbalance affects men, too.
(Disproportionately, I’ll add, which is why it’s still called feminism.)
The correction of the imbalance isn’t about bringing men down, but lifting women up.
So, let’s just put this right here:
I am a feminist.
Not just an ally — though, I am that, too. But a feminist.
Not always a perfect one. Certainly not the one you asked for. But here I am.
*waves*
I think it’s also worth noting that these are the things I believe about women and feminism:
I think that when Emma Watson offers what is ostensibly the most male-inclusive version of feminism we have yet seen, that she’ll still have her outfit critiqued, she’ll still have threats against her (some of which are apparently a marketing hoax made believable because of the toxic realities behind women speaking up for themselves), and there will still be a countermovement called #SheForHe (which is itself tied into the Women Against Feminism movement, which is a movement that makes me very sad in the same way disbelieving in evolution — the awesome force that got us here! — makes me sad).
I think male privilege is real. I think it’s imperfect and not absolute, but that doesn’t change its reality — male privilege is ever-present and difficult to deny.
I think that privilege is blinding.
I think there are real issues affecting men, and that doesn’t diminish the need for feminism.
I think that rape culture is real. I think that rape culture is a passive frequency — background noise — that opens the door to (and softens or eradicates the punishment against) misogyny and assault and the destruction of safety for women. I suspect that some deny the existence of rape culture because they misunderstand it as being active. As in, “If I’m not actively promoting rape, then clearly a culture of it doesn’t exist.” But they miss how so many subtle, unseen, unrealized things contribute to that culture: in our language, in our expectations, in the media we consume.
I think that #GamerGate, the celebrity nude photo hack, #NotAllMen all serve as negative resistance to real positive cultural change (the dinosaurs snarling at the meteor, the wasps stirred before winter wipes them out) but that this resistance is still dangerous and must be addressed.
I think that feminism is a many-headed, many-hearted movement. Feminists don’t all get together in a room once a year to determine the agenda for the next 365 days.
I think that’s a good thing, not a bad thing. As noted: many hearts and many minds.
I think that it’s not a man’s job to be a hero for the feminist movement but, rather, to help them be the heroes — it’s not our job to hold the sword and protect them but to put the swords in their hands. Not knights, perhaps, but squires. Or maybe knights in service to queens? (Or maybe medieval framing and phrasing is a troubled road no matter how well you walk it. All I know is that there are nasty dragons out there and I want to help you slay them.)
I think it’s more important for men to listen than it is for them to speak on the subject of feminism. (And I recognize the irony here — I’m using the blog to speak, but the blog acts as a much better mouth than it does an ear. But I promise, I am listening. This blog is a direct result of me listening — and, as Anita Sarkeesian notes, me believing your experiences are real.)
I think it’s more important for men to signal boost than it is for them to take over the signal.
(But I also think it’s vital for men to be a part of that signal, too.)
I think a lot of this begins with teaching our kids this stuff — yes, I know, blah blah blah children are our future, but seriously, this is critical if we’re to overturn a lot of the nastiness that’s been institutionalized, that’s been stamped into the mud of our history with hard boots.
But I think we must also be active in social media, in politics, with family, with friends.
I think that it’s very easy to dismiss feminism and claim egalitarianism instead, but realize that the two are not mutually exclusive — and, by denying feminism, you misunderstand that the imbalance here is particularly and troublingly one-sided.
I think that most Men’s Rights Movements talk very little about men’s rights and seem to be peculiarly focused on diminishing women, instead.
I think watching a dude mansplain feminism to a feminist woman is really uncomfortable (WELL LITTLE LADY, SOMETHING SOMETHING EQUALITY TAMPONS, ABORTION SUFFRAGE, LADY PARTS, RAPE ALLEGATIONS, BUT NO REALLY, BUT WHAT ABOUT ME AND MY NEEDS). I think watching men mansplain feminism is like watching climate deniers explain the climate to climatologists, or watching non-parents explain how to parent (or worse, how to parent an autistic child). And again I recognize the irony: this post probably reads like me mansplaining things, but I assure you that at the very least my intentions are not to explain facts about women to women but rather to give voice to some ideas and hope that other men might listen.
I think men get championed for being feminists and women get taken apart for being feminists and that’s sad, though I don’t know what I can do about it except signal boost and support and battle the fungal rot of male privilege and dudebro toxicity where it lives and breeds.
I think FUCK YEAH SOCIAL JUSTICE. Anybody who wants to poison that term — “social justice” — might as well try to poison other nice things like apples, or cake, or equal pay, or autumn. I am happy to be a social justice equal pay cake apple autumn warrior. YOU HAVE MY STEEL.
I think that pop culture is a vital arena for feminism. Because pop culture is the media we consume and we are what we eat when it comes to that cultural diet. I think if it’s in the water and the food (so to speak), it’ll grow from there. The stories we tell are the cultural seed-bed.
I think as writers and creators its therefore doubly important we think about these things.
I think male writers should think about them, talk about them, and act on them, too.
I think that means reading more diversely and writing more diversely, too. A balanced diet is good for us all. You can have a cookie, but you also have to eat some kale. (And you’ll soon discover that kale is actually pretty fucking amazing if cooked right, so shut up.)
I think that empathy and logic make a powerful one-two punch.
I think it’s getting better.
But I think we can all do better, too.
I don’t think it gets better on its own, is what I’m saying.
And so that’s why I’m here. Saying these things.
I want it to get better for women and I want to be a part of making it so.
And thus, I’m lending my voice — small as it may be, wrong as it can be — to feminism.
I am a feminist.
I am #HeForShe.
And so should you be.
Katharine Ashe says:
I just love you, Chuck. Really. In a good admire-you-and-am-happy-that-you-write-so-I-can-read-it-and-feel-hope kind of way. Not in a creepy stalker kind of way, naturally. Thanks for this post.
September 24, 2014 — 10:00 AM
Amy Raby says:
Bravo!
September 24, 2014 — 10:03 AM
Dan says:
YES. THIS IS EVERYTHING.
#meforchuck
September 24, 2014 — 10:04 AM
Lynne says:
Thank you for this post…and your steel. And your tacos.
September 24, 2014 — 10:05 AM
Jennifer McAndrews says:
And the best part of this is knowing you’re raising a son, and you’ll raise him with these values. Thank you for your voice in this battle.
September 24, 2014 — 10:08 AM
Dave Higgins says:
You are absolutely right about inequality affecting even those with a privilege, and your explanation of why the label is feminism has merit.
However, I’m still not a feminist because I am trying to challenge inequity not inequity against women. The issues of race, religion, gender, and free choice are, for me, too complex and interconnected to say: we focus on inequality against women.
I would call myself an equalist, but that has apparently been co-opted by the men’s rights’ fanatics. So I guess I will call myself a decent person.
September 24, 2014 — 10:10 AM
terribleminds says:
But again, the danger there is seeing exclusivity — a false dichotomy of, “If I’m a feminist, I can’t also be for equality across the board.” You can. And, I’d argue, you should. You can still be for the rights of all while still being a feminist.
— c.
September 24, 2014 — 10:23 AM
Dave Higgins says:
As an author, you know words have unconscious power. You even state there is a gender bias in the label ‘feminism’.
Calling the struggle against the unfair treatment of black women in a wheelchairs ‘feminism’ (however unconsciously) defines the discussion as the treatment of women who are black and in wheelchairs, so privileges one trait over others without regard to whether it is the major cause of their unfair treatment.
You can be for the rights of all without using a label which privileges one group. And I’d argue you should.
September 24, 2014 — 12:36 PM
smithster says:
But there are circumstances unique to the female experience that simply do not exist for men. There may be particular problems encountered by black women in wheelchairs that are not encountered by black men in wheelchairs. Feminism seeks to address the particular difficulties faced by women (female reproductive health, for example). Yes, we’re fighting for freedom for all – but we also need to recognize that there is a difference now, here, in this time, between the experiences and realities of one group as opposed to another. Without acknowledging that difference, which feminism does, you will not be able to achieve equal freedom for all.
September 24, 2014 — 12:51 PM
Dave Higgins says:
I don’t disagree that there are circumstances unique to women.
What I don’t accept is that seeking equality should have a label based on gender.
September 24, 2014 — 1:23 PM
Lawerence Hawkins says:
Things can be more than one thing. A square is always a rhombus is always a parallelogram is a rectangle is a shape. One can be a humanist, which I feel would actually require being a feminist, an anti-racist, in support of trans and non-binary gender, an enemy to poverty, and a warrior for free expression and belief. Being any one of those things takes nothing away from the rest – if anything, it makes it impossible to ignore many of those dimensions without failing your mission.
The ladder to a better humanity is the path to victory – but that’s an oath, not an answer. If you want to be a humanist? Try being a better feminist first. It’s in there.
September 24, 2014 — 2:07 PM
Dave Higgins says:
So you think changing job titles was pointless, Lawrence Hawkins?
After all, a policeman or a postman can be a woman: we don’t need to change the labels just because the inherent gender bias makes them seem to be something.
Language shapes thought.
If someone can explain why calling the struggle for equality ‘feminism’ makes it more effective then I will consider it. Until they do I will continue to reject the gender biased language.
September 25, 2014 — 8:51 AM
terribleminds says:
Because men already have the lion’s share. The goal of “making us all equal” doesn’t mean moving the needle and changing things for men. It means changing things for women. Which means the movement itself is the act and goal of raising women up to the same level and privilege that men have long possessed.
That’s why it’s called “feminism.”
And that’s why it *needs* to be called that, and “equalism” or “humanism” are ultimately lazy, ineffective, imprecise terms. And, worse, supported mostly by men because men in this discussion are pretty constantly BUT WHAT ABOUT MY EQUALITY.
— c.
September 25, 2014 — 8:59 AM
chris2315 says:
Okay, I don’t know how this reply system works, but since I apparently can’t reply directly, I’ll just say right now that I’m replying to Chuck’s reply.
I respectfully disagree. I think that, by saying that labels like “equalism” and “humanism” are lazy, you are in fact doing the exact same thing as those who criticize the term “feminism”. You’re associating a label with a vocal minority you dislike.
I personally prefer the “equalism” label simply because its etymology makes more sense to me. The term “feminism” implies that it’s all about women. The movement’s very name is exclusionary, and this results with very few men being able to identify as feminists.
“Feminism” is also imprecise and unclear: the name says it’s in favor of women, but does not say in what way. Is it about giving certain rights to women, then stopping before reaching true equality? Is it about giving women superiority over men? Could be either of those, really.
Obviously, you’re going to tell me that it’s not, but it doesn’t matter. Most people don’t know the definition of the word “feminism”, they just go by the way it sounds. As a writer, you should know more than anyone how the way a word sounds affects our judgement. Going with a more inclusive label, and one that makes it very clear that the ultimate goal is true equality, would go a long way towards making more people join the cause.
September 25, 2014 — 1:45 PM
R. Cecchini says:
Thanks Mister.
Love,
Your sister
September 24, 2014 — 10:11 AM
Maggie says:
I don’t consider myself a feminist. I’m not a masculist (wordcheck? No?) either. I’ve seen too much hate tossed about by all sides, staggering levels of privilege spewed by men who think women belong in the kitchen and equal levels of privilege spewed by women who think anything with a dick is a disgusting waste of meat and air that’s trendy to verbally abuse. Neither pole is attractive to me. I’m somewhere in the middle, because I do believe that feminism as a movement has benefited me — I certainly wouldn’t be able to vote, or go to school, or do anything but pop out kids every 9-12 months if that was the case — but I think the world has become a much bigger place. For all intents and purposes, I’m a humanist. The issues aren’t truly just gender-binary, I think. Trans and genderfluid folks get it just as bad. They’re just not over half the world’s population, so their very similar concerns sometimes get lost in the noise.
September 24, 2014 — 10:15 AM
Kate says:
Hatred and fear of trans and gay people is directly tied to misogyny and the policing of sex/gender roles. Which are assuredly feminist issues. How is the world a “bigger place” when women are still fighting tooth and nail for reproductive rights, equal pay and equal representation, and when freedom from the fear of rape and domestic violence is nowhere in sight? When 68,000 women die every year from unsafe, illegal abortions? If you care about the plight of child brides and sex-trafficked children; if you care that education in many parts of the world is forbidden to girls because they’re girls; if you see that sexual harassment and gang rapes are some of the blunt instruments used to keep women in their place, then claiming you’re not a feminist seems deliberately contrarian.
September 24, 2014 — 11:31 AM
TheLizLincoln says:
Thank you.
September 24, 2014 — 10:16 AM
Eric Crabtree says:
I love what Ms. Watson has to say. Out of everyone I’ve heard speak on the subject, including you and some others on my friends list, I feel she gets it right and does so without insulting or threatening or hate mongering. We need more voices like hers. Now I’ll never call myself a feminist because it just has a lot of negative baggage and I’m not trudging through all the poisonous shit fields to find the good stuff. I am an equalist for every person of this world. Let’s embrace each other and help pick us up instead of this brutality that is going on towards everyone.
September 24, 2014 — 10:23 AM
terribleminds says:
If you love what she has to say, then you can’t separate out the feminist message from it. “Equalist” is a limited, naive idea that fails to recognize that, at present, men are more equal than equal when it comes to things. Feminism is about correcting that imbalance.
Here’s what I see when I see people claiming to not be feminist but to want equality for all —
I see them saying this while eating a big, fantastic meal.
I see them saying this to someone who doesn’t have that meal.
I see them saying, “Oh, I don’t support YOU getting the equal meal specifically, I support US ALL having this meal.”
And then they go on eating it while the other person has nothing, or at least, a far lesser plate of food.
Feminism is actively trying to correct the problem. It’s actively saying, “I see that your cup isn’t full, so I’m going to fix that, regardless of what I think about my cup.”
Equalism is a passive way of saying, “But wait, me too.”
Feminism doesn’t have a lot of negative baggage. What baggage you think it has pales — PALES — in comparison to the things it has achieved.
Emma Watson is not championing equalism. She’s championing feminism with male participation.
So, if you support what she’s saying, you support feminism. You can’t extract that.
— c.
September 24, 2014 — 10:32 AM
Kay Camden says:
There’s a problem though. Far too many men enjoy the heck out of that meal. Far too many enjoy it *more* because it’s just for them. Far too many have learned to need it, to feel good about themselves. How do you convince them they don’t need that power over people? How do you convince them that once everyone has that fantastic meal, they’ll still be as special as they always were?
September 24, 2014 — 11:06 AM
Eric Crabtree says:
That’s the thing. I’m more than willing to share my meal. I’d even give up my meal for another. I just refuse to wear a certain label assigned to eating that meal. I want everyone to eat the same meal as me. No matter race, gender, sexual preference, and any other differences I may share. You’re right I don’t need to dismiss someone to feel great about myself. Nor do I feel that I can sit idly by and watch friends and family do the same. I embrace everyone for who they are. Forgive me though I won’t wear a label for it nor assign myself to be part of a club in regards to it.
September 24, 2014 — 2:41 PM
Jim Hague says:
The problem with what you’re saying is that it assumes a neutral, level playing field; clearly we don’t have that. Just because *you* feel as if you can dismiss any differences (which, I note, is tantamount to erasing the issues) doesn’t mean the people that face the tidal wave of crap can…precisely because you don’t face those problems every single day.
You, me, we don’t get to dismiss or crow about how *-blind we are, because that doesn’t matter. The label is there because it is useful. It’s not there to make anyone feel comfortable. The discomfort is supposed to be there, precisely because it highlights the inequality.
September 24, 2014 — 2:51 PM
Kate says:
Yes, this. Also, much of the “negative baggage” people ascribe to feminism actually originated with people who were/are passionately invested in discrediting it – the Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks and Pat Robertsons of the world. “Feminazi,” anyone? The “man-hating,” “bra-burning,” fear-mongering rhetoric came from them, and apparently a lot of people are either too young or too credulous to recognize it.
September 24, 2014 — 11:38 AM
Eric Crabtree says:
I can only say the negative baggage I see is first hand. I hear/see it coming from the mouths of those who proclaim themselves “feminist”. I’ve seen enough of it that I will simply remove myself from those people and situations and continue to act in a way I can only hope will be positive to myself and those around me.
September 24, 2014 — 2:43 PM
Aspen says:
Eric–
What you think you’re saying: “I won’t call myself a feminist because feminists are mean.”
What I hear you saying: “I won’t call myself a feminist because hearing women’s anger makes me uncomfortable.”
Women are angry. Women *should be* angry. Black men should be angry. Hispanics should be angry. Impoverished white people with no access to health care should be angry. We are angry because we get the short end of the injustice Every. Single. Time. We are angry because we are unheard. We are angry because the usual response to our anger is, “That’s cute,” or “What’s the big deal?” or “What the hell is wrong with you?” or “Up against the wall, m*****f******!” or .
You think “equalism” is a way to support social justice without having to deal with the fact of the anger. But you know what? The anger exists. The anger is real. The anger is justified. The anger is something you have to deal with. Telling women (or any other oppressed group) that we can’t express our anger at oppression IS oppression.
Our anger is uncomfortable and scary and hurts your precious privileged fee-fees? I’m kind of over caring about that.
September 24, 2014 — 6:47 PM
Kevin W says:
As I was reading this, these words came through my headphones, and I’d never heard them in this song before:
“… before microwave ovens, when a girl could still cook, and still would…
Is the best of the free life behind us now? Are the good times really over for good?”
– Merle Haggard, “Are The Good Times Really Over” (1982)
How far we’ve come, and how far we’ve yet to go.
Sir, this is stated incredibly well, andI’ve been trying to find words to say something similar for a good while now. Cheers, and thanks for this.
September 24, 2014 — 10:24 AM
smithster says:
I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about this and posting when I get something concrete. Two thoughts occurred to me the other day regarding the pushback you described, which I agree is what we are experiencing now. The first was that the pushback indicates a belief that freedom is a limited resource. By giving freedom to others, you lose it yourself. But it’s the exact opposite. Giving freedom for others in fact increases the freedom for all. It’s like love in a way – the more you give, the more comes back to you. What they’re losing is in fact privilege, not freedom. They’re losing other types of resources that they now have to compete for – jobs and money, prestige and social standing.
The other thought I had was “If people would only stop complaining, there wouldn’t be a problem.”
Yes, that is in irony font.
September 24, 2014 — 10:27 AM
A Citizen of the World says:
Thank you. Just thank you.
September 24, 2014 — 10:28 AM
Linjen says:
Brilliant piece!
September 24, 2014 — 10:29 AM
Kay Camden says:
After watching the John Oliver thing about the Miss America pageant, then reading the Robot Hugs comic about everyday harassment…and now this. I can’t be expected to sit in a cubicle and work quietly today. Somebody get me a pitchfork.
Chuck, be sure to report back when you start getting rape threats/death threats/whatever male feminists get when they open their mouths. How about we all agree to donate a dollar per threat to our feminist charity of choice?
September 24, 2014 — 10:30 AM
terribleminds says:
I probably won’t get anything, really, threat-wise. Once in a blue moon, something hateful comes across my doorstep but it’s rarely threatening. But that’s just one more tiny but significant indicator of that male privilege that I think exists (provably).
— c.
September 24, 2014 — 10:35 AM
Margaret Atwood says:
You’re a smart guy and a precise thinker. Good for you. I just told the Greek media about your website. 🙂 M
September 24, 2014 — 10:31 AM
terribleminds says:
WHY DO YOU HATE THE GREEK PEOPLE, MARGARET ATWOOD.
…
Ahem, what I mean is, wow, thank you!
— c.
September 24, 2014 — 10:33 AM
Gry Ranfelt says:
“I think that pop culture is a vital arena for feminism. Because pop culture is the media we consume and we are what we eat when it comes to that cultural diet. I think if it’s in the water and the food (so to speak), it’ll grow from there. The stories we tell are the cultural seed-bed.”
Thank you. Thank you for this.
For so long we’ve been fed these terrible stories in pop culture and they’ve been ignored because “it’s just sitcoms”.
But they’re important. FRIENDS turned over our lives. People got OUTRAGED over the ending of How I Met Your Mother.
Today I finished a small book about dead guys talking of life. It was from early 1900. Every female character in it was only there to fill a “female role” – the temptress, the mother, the lover, the beautiful woman.
It was heartbreaking.
There are people claiming that calling it “he-for-she” again puts men beneath women, which, arguably, a lot of feminists are pro. (I’ve met quite a few. Many of them believe in my nemesis, quotas)
But, as you say, it’s important to remember that though we fight for equality there IS a skewed worldview, and it’s in favor of men as a rule.
I’m thankful, though, to live in Denmark where female rights have come so far. It’s sad, though, to see Scandinavian women put down as being “unfeminine” or “butch” or “prude” or “up-their-asses” because they say their opinion – and especially when their opinion is educated.
Wonderful blog post, Chuck. You pointed out a lot of things I’ve tumbled with myself but couldn’t quite put into words, namely the pop culture thing and the skewed-problematics thing.
September 24, 2014 — 10:33 AM
Ruth Nestvold says:
Thank you for this. It drives me batty how so many women do not consider themselves feminists because the term has been demonized and they don’t want to come off as radical militants. But the more people out there who label themselves as feminists, the less power the demonization of the term will have.
September 24, 2014 — 10:35 AM
Thereza says:
And another reason why I like you.
September 24, 2014 — 10:44 AM
Sarah_Madison says:
This. All of this. I do consider myself a feminist. I don’t think it is a dirty word. I think *making* it a dirty word has been the goal of those who worry that mobilizing 49-50% of the population to act and vote on their own behalf is terrifying and must be squashed at all costs–so by all means, let’s take away their ability to identify themselves and make wanting equality something to be ashamed of.
I run into a lot of young women who seem to believe the women’s rights battle has been fought and won on their behalf and that it is a non-issue today. I tell each and every one of them that civil rights are something that must continually be defended or else someone will take them away. Women fought and *died* for our right to vote. It is up to us to honor that right by exercising it to the best of our ability.
I see the upcoming elections in November, smile to myself. and say “Winter is coming.”
September 24, 2014 — 10:45 AM
deborahblake1 says:
Well said, as always, Chuck. But I think there should have been more profanity. Just saying 🙂
Another f-cking feminist. XXX
September 24, 2014 — 10:50 AM
Pavowski says:
I, for one, always enjoy your “social justice” pieces, and I hope you will keep doing what you’re doing on this and all issues, even if it’s just signal-boosting. This signal is excellent, and it needs to be broadcast loud enough to penetrate the thick skulls of the neanderthals bringing our average down.
September 24, 2014 — 10:50 AM
Maggie says:
Even that Neanderthal allegory may have to be re-evaluated. Reassessment suggests that women were far more active and equal in Paleolithic h/g societies than gender bias of archaeologists told us. The cave art, which is considered to be a record of kills or hunting-magic, etc, and the hand-stencils were painted largely by women. It’s all circumstantial and conjecture, but if the sensory deprivation effects of the caves and the possible magical purposes are taken into account, that means that many early-human shamans were likely female.
In short, neanderthals might be very confused and perhaps outraged by the patriarchal behaviour.
September 24, 2014 — 11:14 AM
Pavowski says:
Withdrawn. I wanted a colorful way of saying that the people who haven’t gotten the memo on this issue have it bass-ackwards, living in the past.
September 24, 2014 — 12:04 PM
Maggie says:
Medieval? That was when, in my (armchair historian) recall, women became property of their men, subject to little or rights, oppressed under religious doctrine.
September 24, 2014 — 12:11 PM
Maggie says:
(Please understand, I wasn’t trying to attack you. It’s just silly to me that we as a culture use a term like “neanderthal” when it’s entirely possible that, on the grounds of egalitarian gender perceptions — and transgenders, as well — Paleolithic folk were most likely a little more enlightened than we modern humans claim to be.)
September 24, 2014 — 12:13 PM
Pavowski says:
I’m with you. And yeah, I guess Medieval is closer to what I was after.
September 24, 2014 — 12:38 PM
M T McGuire says:
Thank you. That’s a lovely heartfelt bit of stuff and…. yeh… thanks.
Cheers
MTM
September 24, 2014 — 10:56 AM
Misa says:
“Not knights, perhaps, but squires.”
Chuck, may I suggest Vikings, given the recent discovery that Viking men and women fought side-by-side?
And thank you for this. 🙂
September 24, 2014 — 10:56 AM
Jim Heskett says:
Did you hear about the 4chan backlash? Never before have a seen a more wretched hive of scum and villain than 4chan. *shudder*
September 24, 2014 — 10:58 AM
dianewalton1952 says:
Chuck, we need more guys like you. I’ve been a feminist since I first heard of the term, and that’s about 40 years ago.
September 24, 2014 — 11:01 AM
betsydornbusch says:
I, too, am an imperfect feminist. I feel like my emotions around it are all out of whack.
I try hard to be patient with people in their process. (a little alliteration, you’re welcome, snerk) Everyone is at a different place with different issues. I’m also a huge believer in fake it till you make it, which you’ve obviously done, Chuck.
September 24, 2014 — 11:02 AM
Bon Homberg says:
Nah. As much as men have always been trying to control the lives of women, feminism is an attempt by women to turn the tables and control men’s lives.
Instead, I’d really like to see gender egalitarianism. Not HeForShe, not SheForHe, but WeForWe.
September 24, 2014 — 11:06 AM
terribleminds says:
No, feminism is an attempt to correct the imbalance you just noted. WeForWe is a very nice idea in theory, but in practice does little to correct the imbalance, but rather, it works to support it.
September 24, 2014 — 11:11 AM
chris2315 says:
The problem with any movement is that you can’t possibly get everyone to share the same opinion, and as a result the movement’s message is dilluted. In principle, feminism is about correcting that inequality, but do you honestly believe that it’s that simple for everyone who identifies as feminist? Feminists who hate men do exist. They may be a minority, but they are a vocal minority, and they regularly hijack the feminist movement.
That’s why I find it difficult to identify with the feminist movement. I am of the opinion that everyone should have the exact same rights and opportunities, regardless of gender, sex, sexual orientation, race or beliefs. That opinion is not shared by everyone in the feminist movement, or in any movement at all, really.
If I decide to join such a movement, it will inevitably mean that at some point, someone will promote an agenda I do not agree with in the name of the movement I am part of. That’s not something I am comfortable with. That’s why I prefer not rely on labels such as feminism. I’m not a feminist; just a guy with a decent moral compass.
September 24, 2014 — 11:38 PM
Olivia Kelly says:
As a feminist raising two sons, this is something I think about constantly. Can I raise them to respect and love women, to see them as equals, to be part of the fight for all people, across the board? How do I manage this monumental, intimidating task? What if I fail?
But I can’t think about that, so I do all the small things I can do, every day. Sometimes it’s handing them a Ms. Marvel, Lumberjanes, or Wonder Woman comic and explaining “No, this isn’t just for girls. Yes, you can read it and enjoy it too.” Sometimes it’s educating them on amazing women in history, like Amelia Earhart or the (Soviet Forces) Night Witches of WWII, or talking about why I’d like to see Hilary Clinton run for President again.
I appreciate this post, and your stand as a feminist, Chuck. Thank you for saying it, and encouraging other men to do likewise.
September 24, 2014 — 11:08 AM
laurenbjorkman says:
Thank you for this! Feminism has become a filthy word to many. I’d love for it to be reclaimed.
September 24, 2014 — 11:10 AM
Piper Bayard says:
Yes. As someone who has lived the effort since the 60s, I don’t like what it has turned into.
September 24, 2014 — 11:28 AM
laurenbjorkman says:
I came to the party late (in the ’80’s) so have always been out of fashion.
September 24, 2014 — 1:40 PM
pashortt says:
Hell. Yes.
I am with you.
September 24, 2014 — 11:12 AM
Desiree says:
You had me at “social justice equal pay cake apple autumn warrior”.
Thank you for writing this, and for recognizing the change that needs to happen for everyone to be equal.
September 24, 2014 — 11:14 AM
Katherine Memmel says:
One of the best and easiest ways to cultivate feminism is to encourage genuine friendships between the sexes (and no, that doesn’t mean–gag–the friendzone). I always had male friends growing up (and still do, some very close) and none of them turned out to be misogynistic dickheads. Maybe they’re just good people raised by good parents, maybe hanging out with *ahem* a cool chick enabled them to see women beyond all the sex stuff. Either way, it’s a value I’m passing on to my own kids and I hope other parents do as we’ll.
September 24, 2014 — 11:17 AM
Piper Bayard says:
Chuck, you’re awesome. Great post.
As a female expository writing major in the mid ’80s, I was the “token interview” for editorial positions. I ended up with a job as a secretary. Then I went to law school in the early ’90s. Along with a few jackasses, I found many men bending over backward to be inclusive of women, and many women working very hard to be men with girl parts. A few years later, those same women did everything short of spit on me when I chose to leave law and become a stay-at-home mom, while the men repeatedly told me how much they respected my decision. One gap in the feminist discussion is the acknowledgement of women’s hatred toward other women–particularly toward women who choose traditional roles, and who view gallantry as a measure of respect rather than a put down.
As the mother of a son, I’m deeply offended by the movies, cartoons, and commercials that show girls and women disrespecting boys and men. Some even go as far as demonstrating physical violence against men, as if it is somehow positive and acceptable. It is neither.
What I appreciated about Emma’s speech was that it was about equality for BOTH genders. Both men AND women need to embrace that concept if we are going to put the more hostile aspects of “feminism” aside and make it a purely positive movement, where it’s about equal opportunity for equal ability, equal pay for equal work, and equal respect for BOTH genders. It’s okay to be a man. It’s okay to be a woman. Vive la difference. But we can still be equals if that is the society that both men and women are brave enough to create.
Thank you for your post.
September 24, 2014 — 11:25 AM
C.V. Madison says:
I have never understood why women would chastise women for doing what is in their hearts to do. If you wanted to become a stay at home mom and raise your kids, AWESOME. If that’s what works for you, then that’s what’s best for you and your family. It’s like they were saying you couldn’t ever come back once you stayed home with the kids. What sense does that make? There is nothing wrong with being a career woman. But there is also nothing at all wrong with choosing your family over your career if that’s what works best for you. It was wrong of them to tell you otherwise.
I’ve run into the women against women thing more times than I care to count. I get sick of my coworker saying things like, “I make decisions about people and if I don’t like them, they WON’T stay.” It’s like the thought never crossed her mind that diversity is a good thing and maybe SHE needed to open her mind a little. She’s STILL trying to figure me out. I’m a woman who rarely wears makeup, my hair is almost always in a ponytail. I don’t shave every day or sometimes even every week. I wear jeans and tank tops year round. I don’t give a damn about fashion or makeup or television. I don’t like rom coms like she does. Yet I wear Victoria’s Secret and support her in her decision to be a super girly girl who doesn’t leave the house without makeup and who shaves every day, sometimes twice a day. Women have a right to be WOMEN, whatever that means to them.
TL;DNR: Women can be petty, catty, spiteful and mean. And that’s something feminism needs to work on as well. We all need to Be Excellent to One Another.
Wow. Just dated myself there…
September 24, 2014 — 12:06 PM
Piper Bayard says:
“Women have a right to be WOMEN, whatever that means to them.” Amen, sista!
September 24, 2014 — 9:08 PM
Davide Mana says:
Yes, but…
Ouch, no, can’t find anything to go “but” about.
😀
Thank you once again for your intelligence and your style.
September 24, 2014 — 11:25 AM
Donna Lewis says:
Excellent post. I’m a feminist. I’m glad to have you among our ranks.
September 24, 2014 — 11:27 AM
Melissa Lewicki says:
Thank you.
September 24, 2014 — 11:34 AM
Amy Raby says:
Every time someone says, “I’m not a feminist but I believe in equality for everybody,” I take it as code for, “I don’t believe in equal rights for women.”
September 24, 2014 — 11:40 AM
Rachel Rush says:
I tend to hear it that way too, yes; it’s always struck me as a more subtle way of saying “but what about the men?”
The movement that’s working towards “equality for everybody” is called Feminism.
September 24, 2014 — 11:48 AM
logankeys says:
Entitlement goes a long way here in the first world by every gender and race.
Women who have all the opportunity in the world here still griping gets old. Feminism is a ploy most times to get benefits out of tax payers and that’s sad and embarrassing. Then a slew of men and women will tell me as a woman I am wrong for not being a feminist. That’s nice. Great recruitment strategy.
My first job was for the city counsel woman of upland California who had a mansion coming from nothing. She never talked about how men treated her or cried about what couldn’t be done, she just did, and had plenty of businesses to show for it. Any given morning you could catch her giving a speech or scrubbing a toilet. I admired the pants of that woman.
Talking about closed doors doesn’t open them.
Opening them opens them.
September 24, 2014 — 11:41 AM
terribleminds says:
“Talking about closed doors doesn’t open them.
Opening them opens them.”
Right, but feminism doesn’t just attempt to “talk” about closed doors, yeah? Feminism is active and is itself an attempt to open those doors.
The fact that woman could sit on city council (if I’m reading you correctly)– and could own property and a business — is a direct result of the *actions* of the feminist movement.
— c.
September 24, 2014 — 11:48 AM
logankeys says:
Voters did that. Since women can vote they have the right to change whatever they see fit without speeches and feminist representatives. Just like men.
September 24, 2014 — 11:59 AM
Jim Hague says:
I’m going to rather vehemently disagree here – if there were equality between the sexes, there wouldn’t be a need for feminism to address the inequality, issues of reproductive rights, rape culture, or any of the other problems Chuck was talking about. It wouldn’t exist. And as it exists, feminism isn’t out to get government benefits; that’s a bizarre claim.
If you’re tired of the issue, I’d suggest that all of the ‘griping’ is because the issues facing women haven’t been adequately addressed. Thus we have feminism.
September 24, 2014 — 1:18 PM
laurenbjorkman says:
For my first job, I was hired by the USDA in the late 80’s. I wasn’t chosen for my MS in Agronomy from UC Davis, my brains, or my skills, but rather to meet their quota for professional women. The office had none at the time. Yes, legislation can correct some imbalances.
Still, legislation can only do so much. It can’t change prejudices and biases in the human heart. We all have to work together for that.
A few decades ago, when women entered medical schools at record rates, my grandma said to me that she’d never let a woman surgeon operate on her.
September 24, 2014 — 1:51 PM
logankeys says:
Legislating it is bastardizing things on many levels as well. Like in the Military when a woman can’t do the same job she’s paid equally and worked around creating bitterness. Instead, she could be moved to a job more adequate and then paid equally but there would be too much speculation so instead it becomes a hand out and I’ve seen this first hand being that we are military. I support fairness on the human level and not equality on a legislation level.
September 24, 2014 — 3:46 PM
Jim Hague says:
@Logankeys – That’s a) not actually what happens and b) like saying that the Voting Rights Act is unnecessary legislation.
As Lauren points out, the legislation corrects imbalances precisely because, left on their own, they don’t correct themselves.
September 24, 2014 — 3:52 PM
Sarah says:
Once upon a time, women *couldn’t* vote. Feminism did that too.
September 24, 2014 — 1:52 PM
logankeys says:
Congress fairly voted that amendment in without being feminists as well. We need to give the benefit of the doubt to average people too having sense on good issues and not needing to be part of a group.
September 24, 2014 — 3:58 PM
laurenbjorkman says:
“Legislating it is bastardizing things on many levels as well. Like in the Military when a woman can’t do the same job she’s paid equally and worked around creating bitterness.” ~LoganKeys
Hey, LoganKeys. I did my job at the USDA better than most. I was far more qualified than several of my bosses. My comment refers to the irony of the situation: When it came to getting hire, my gender mattered more than my excellent resume. My gender, not the quality of my work, also made those around me bitter.
Though I did top-notch work at the USDA and kept my head down, plenty of bitterness was hurled my way. I always made sure that my design calculations were flawless, so the engineer reviewing them could only smirk at me, instead of berating me
I’m not an angry person. I’m generally sweet and even tempered, in fact, which helped win over most of the men I worked with at that time. Whenever I earned someone’s respect, it made my week. By the time I left the USDA, only a hand full of men still resented me (particularly for my promotions, five in ten years).
I can laugh about it now.
And call myself a feminist.
September 24, 2014 — 4:18 PM
Sufilizard says:
Well said Mr. Wendig! My only quibble at all is that I don’t agree that kale can be made palatable no matter how it’s cooked. But that doesn’t affect the point of your message, which I found inspiring.
Just last night, I was trying to work out a bit on stage at an open mic showing how rape culture would work if the tables were turned. I managed to end it with a laugh, but the setup needs some work — however I’m more committed than ever to making it work. Of course my intent isn’t to make light of it, but to use humor to help people understand it at a deeper level. (Spoonful of sugar helping the medicine go down kind of thing).
September 24, 2014 — 11:50 AM
terribleminds says:
I CAN COOK KALE SO THAT IT IS DELICIOUS. Sometimes it involves sausage.
But seriously, it’s so good even my toddler will eat it.
— c.
September 24, 2014 — 11:52 AM
Piper Bayard says:
I’m going to request your recipe for that. I tend to agree with Sufilizard about the kale, but I will keep an open mind until I see how sausage can transform it.
September 24, 2014 — 9:12 PM
terribleminds says:
Here’s one way:
http://terribleminds.com/ramble/2013/03/27/i-got-your-soups-right-here-pal/
SAUSAGE KALE SOUP.
mmmmmmm.
— c.
September 25, 2014 — 7:21 AM
C.V. Madison says:
It has probably been said before, but I want to throw my hat into this proverbial ring: it is important for men to speak up about being feminists so that other men don’t feel/think/believe/whatever that they’re alone or the only one or the single guy standing with the cheer squad while the football players and the band kids make fun of them. Every man who steps forward and says, “I’m not perfect, but I’m sure as hell trying and, damnit, this shitting on women and making men be some weird machismo stereotype is wrong!” is one more voice saying “No, dudebro. Not cool, man. Not cool.” when someone sells a shirt that says something as incredibly damaging as, “It’s not rape, it’s a snuggle with a struggle”. (Yes, unfortunately, that DID happen.) Men who are likely to assault women are more likely to listen to another man than to any women who dare be heard instead of merely prettily seen.
I was so leery to don the cape of feminism. Like many people, I was taught feminism was “Up with women! Down with men!” I saw many issues affecting men like the pressure to be the breadwinner and the “men don’t cry” rhetoric. My father was my best bud until I hit pre-teen years and then he just… disappeared. Because he didn’t feel, as a man, that he should be involved like he was in his daughter’s life. I watched male friends be beaten in parking lots for being “gay” or “girly”. Sensitive was thrown around like some kind of insult and still is. We have to walk around with these masks of perfection and invulnerability and it’s complete horseshit. I saw women with unshaved bodies and no makeup burning bras and American flags. I watched so called feminists tell men they were worth nothing more than genetic material donation. I saw women tearing down other women in the name of a cause that I now understand they knew NOTHING about. Until this year, feminism was a dirty word and still is in a lot of circles. I threw the baby out with the bath water because of horrible examples of humanity donning the title and ruining what feminism truly is.
You’re right. It’s not hard to be a feminist. Sometimes it feels like cheating to call myself a feminist, even for me as a woman. I don’t face the myriad of issues other women face. We slap on the hat and badge, give a thumbs up. But, more importantly and more scary to a lot of people, is hearing a sexist joke and saying, “Not cool.” When you see a woman who is being street harassed, walking up and simply saying, “You okay, sis?” Putting yourself in the line of fire is a scary, scary thing. And anyone who is willing to take up that mantle, anyone willing to say there is an injustice? That’s a good thing.
If not me, who? If not now, when?
September 24, 2014 — 11:52 AM
Shanna dundas says:
Some words to exist by……saying/doing nothing is the same as saying YES.
THANK YOU MR WENDIG
September 24, 2014 — 12:40 PM
Lawerence Hawkins says:
Absolute love, Chuck. Throw a bone to intersections (especially for women of color) and I will name my next meal after you!
And my meals… are goddamned serious.
September 24, 2014 — 12:41 PM
thatcalamity says:
Thank you, one of my personal pet peeves is when women my age will say “I don’t consider myself a feminist…” Usually I’ll try to point out that feminism is about equality for men and women and everyone in between. Unfortunately, I’ve met men that think they can’t be feminists just because they’re men.
That’s the awesome thing about feminism: it’s an awesome inclusive club that you can join as long as you believe in equality and are willing to work towards it. (It’s not easy, but imho, it’ll be worth it)
September 24, 2014 — 12:53 PM
Savannah says:
I have always been a feminist and recently with the hateful things said via media and social media it has been harder to wave my little feminist flag. People speak about women’s equality the way they do civil rights and racism, “Slavery is over, ergo racism doesn’t exist.” It is true that the strides made have been great and I am fortunate to have grown up in a society where at least when degrading things are said about women it is somewhat coded instead of spoken like a blatant fact.
But in some ways that is exactly what makes it harder. No one is outright saying you cannot vote, you cannot work, you cannot dress a certain way, instead the message is diffused through social shaming rather than laws. For any woman who has ever walked down the street by themselves, they know that if a sexual crime were to be committed they would be a prime target. For any woman that has worn a skirt in public, they prepare themselves for an onslaught of harassment. For any woman who has ever made the choice to work while being a mother or to stay home, they know there decision will be treated with skepticism. Every action that a woman takes is subject to inordinate amounts of scrutiny and if at all nonconformist, hostile toward men or family.
I loved your post and it so wonderful to know that we have allies and fellow feminists, who are capable of seeing the forest through the trees. I appreciate every man and woman who can recognize the benefits of equality even if that means their power dynamic in society will be shifted because of it. It is time we take responsibility for the society we have helped to shape.
September 24, 2014 — 12:55 PM
Jenn Lyons says:
Nicely said. Thank you. I also consider myself a feminist, and proudly so. I’m happy to know you’re part of that club too.
What we do as writers and creators has a far greater effect on the world than we often credit. It’s not a small power we wield. The ripples that spread out have repercussions far beyond ‘entertainment’ — they literally change how people see the world, which in turn changes how people treat respond to that world. What you’re doing here is part of that.
Again, thank you.
September 24, 2014 — 1:38 PM
Jeff Keir says:
Why do I get the feeling there’s a whole A-B-C quest in here, starting with “reclaim the word ‘feminism’?”
I hate to draw the dirty word comparison here, but another poster already made mention. It’s a shame the word itself carries so much of a burden, but as Chuck also pointed out, that’s part of the deal and its a package. The whole cake-apple needs an eatin’.
The voice in this post resonates with me. I’ve never really been any kind of activist. I know where my opinion have been, and if it came to a vote I could express accordingly. Now I have a wife and a daughter and decades ahead of me trying to ensure they get a fair shake every time. Holy crap.
“Social justice equal pay cake apple autumn warrior” – Coffee mug and t-shirt, please. #HeForShe
September 24, 2014 — 2:03 PM
Luna (@lunamoth42) says:
starting with “reclaim the word ‘feminism’?”
I think that’s the crux of it. The word means something different to different people and we’re in a stage where some are trying to say, “Look, let’s straighten out what the word means across the board.”
Right up in Chuck’s post is a great example of this phenomenon happening out in the world (may not have even registered when he wrote it): “like I was a heathen in a church pulpit”. To some people, that group of words is just like holding up two opposites. Not-a-churchgoer = heathen. To others, Heathenism is an actual, serious religion and they are taking the word back, giving it a positive definition. I think that’s what people of the he-for-she thing are doing here, giving feminist a positive definition.
September 24, 2014 — 3:51 PM
Grace says:
Great post – nobody’s perfect but that’s no excuse for trying. I wish more would it helps counteract those growing numbers of people, women too, who seem to need to argue that there’s no such thing as sexism and we’re all equal now blah blah.
September 24, 2014 — 2:11 PM