{"id":11177,"date":"2011-10-13T00:01:07","date_gmt":"2011-10-13T04:01:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/terribleminds.com\/ramble\/?p=11177"},"modified":"2011-10-12T19:55:08","modified_gmt":"2011-10-12T23:55:08","slug":"j-c-hutchins-the-terribleminds-interview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/terribleminds.com\/ramble\/2011\/10\/13\/j-c-hutchins-the-terribleminds-interview\/","title":{"rendered":"J.C. Hutchins: The Terribleminds Interview"},"content":{"rendered":"

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This week the temporal streams have crossed. Bodies have perhaps been swapped, as if in a comedy starring Dudley Moore and Kirk Cameron, or starring Lindsay Lohan and an incontinent horse. At the fore of this week, Mister J.C. “Hutch Snugglepants McGee” Hutchins interviewed me at his podcast<\/strong><\/span><\/a> (come and bathe in the soothing dulcet sounds of my weird voice), and in the same fell swoop turned in his answers for an interview here at Jolly Ol’ Terribleminds. If you don’t know Hutch, well, shame on you — podcaster, novelist, and above all else, consummate storyteller. I read a script of his and it knocked me on my ass. Here, then, is his interview. You can find his website here at jchutchins.net<\/strong><\/span><\/a> and you should, of course, follow his ass on the Twittertubes (@jchutchins<\/strong><\/span><\/a>). Remember: Momma gets a what-what.<\/em><\/p>\n

This is a blog about writing and storytelling. So, tell us a story. As short or long as you care to make it. As true or false as you see it.<\/h3>\n

Back in the 1990s, I used to freelance for Wizard,<\/em> a now-defunct print magazine that covered the comic book industry. I had the great fortune to interview some of my favorite comic writers — undisputed greats such as Will Eisner, Neil Gaiman and Warren Ellis.<\/p>\n

My favorite, and most memorable, interview was with writer Alan Moore. We talked about his new endeavor at the time, America\u2019s Best Comics … and about his incredible legacy as a creator: Swamp Thing, V for Vendetta, Watchmen<\/em>. I probably gushed a bit about my favorite Superman comic story, which he wrote: \u201cWhatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?\u201d<\/p>\n

And then I asked him about his life as a practicing magician.<\/p>\n

Now when I say \u201cmagician,\u201d I don\u2019t mean card tricks, smoke bombs and top hat rabbits. That\u2019s being an illusionist<\/em>. What I was discussing with Moore was the real deal, the ancient shit — magic<\/em> magic, the kind you conjure with sorcery and summonings. Moore was an earnest believer, and because I\u2019m a wildly open-minded dude when it comes to this sort of thing because of some peculiar life experiences of my own, I didn\u2019t bat an eye at his belief.<\/p>\n

My favorite part of the interview was when he recalled a conversation he once had with the an ancient and powerful entity — I think it was the god Mercury. Moore was fully aware of how mad it all sounded, but again, could only share his belief and the authenticity of his personal experience.<\/p>\n

It was at this point when I asked him: \u201cHow do you know you were talking to the god Mercury?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cWell, when it looks like a god, and it barks like a god, it\u2019s probably a god,\u201d he replied.<\/p>\n

It was an awesome conversation. I still have the tape somewhere. I remember him having a great voice. Deep and raspy, like he gargled gravel.<\/p>\n

So yes. Magic. Spells, communing with gods, awesome. What magic would you possess if you could?<\/h3>\n

All of the ultra-cool abilities of a Jedi master, but without the midi-chlorians.<\/p>\n

What\u2019s great about being a writer, and conversely, what sucks about it?<\/h3>\n

There\u2019s plenty to love about being a writer. I reckon my favorite part of it is that a goodly chunk of my heart gets to stay young for, like, forever. I get to play make believe every day. It\u2019s nuts: People pay me to pretend for a living<\/em>. That\u2019s a cool, blessed job to have.<\/p>\n

It can get lonesome — it\u2019s just you and your puny words, desperately trying to do justice to the vision in your head. And it can get scary — as a freelance creator, I sometimes don\u2019t know where the next paycheck\u2019s coming from. It\u2019s intimidating too, as the kind of work I do can be experimental … which means I\u2019m learning on-the-fly, under the gun. And it can be heartbreaking. There\u2019s a lot of rejection in this business.<\/p>\n

The dreamer side of me — the part that concocts stories and writes them — is an ever-optimist. It\u2019s gotta be. I can\u2019t create when my heart is stony. I need my heart. I need to fall in love with whatever I\u2019m writing about.<\/p>\n

The entrepreneur side of me — the one that worries about hunting, and bills and day rates — it learned long ago the value of managed expectations. I ship, I rewrite if needed, I birddog the check. This side of me insists I\u2019ll never be more than what I presently am: a grease-grimed mechanic who\u2019s here to fucking work.<\/p>\n

This actually delights my inner optimist, because being a grease-grimed wordherder is all I\u2019ve ever wanted to be.<\/p>\n

Let’s talk about transmedia — you’re both fan and practitioner. Care to define what it is in your own words?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Sure. \u201cTransmedia\u201d is an emerging, and usually technology-fueled, way to tell stories. Transmedia narratives are designed to unfold in multiple storytelling media, often simultaneously.<\/p>\n

Think of a physical newspaper. You read a front page story and experience its nonfiction narrative in many ways: Through the high concept headline, the body text, the photos and cutlines, a colorful infographic or two. Even the \u201cContinued on Page A3\u201d jump prompt states there\u2019s more to consume if you expend the effort to find it … as does the boldfaced call to action to visit the newspaper\u2019s website for \u201cbreaking news updates\u201d on this story, including audio recordings and more in-depth reporting.<\/p>\n

Each medium here tells its part of the story in ways that best plays to its strengths. Complex expositions are best-left to text … but text can never capture a moment as exquisitely as a photograph. But photographs can\u2019t deliver the arresting immediacy of video or audio. And none of these media can rival experiencing the story first-hand, in the field.<\/p>\n

That kind of packaged newspaper story is an ultra-simplistic example of what I consider transmedia: A cohesive narrative deliberately designed to be experienced through multiple media and multiple channels.<\/p>\n

Now imagine building fictional narratives with this paradigm in mind: multiple media delivered through multiple channels — including live events<\/em> that support the fictional conceit (in which your audience become participants) — all serving a common story. When you bake this compelling opportunity into the DNA of the stories you\u2019re telling, things get very interesting and cool very quickly.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve got a whole chunk of my brain presently dedicated to developing ways to apply this ecumenical approach to expanding not just the storytelling methods within a narrative … but the kinds <\/em>of transmedia narratives one can create within a larger storyworld.<\/p>\n

I believe that a fictional universe need not cater to a single genre or demographic. I\u2019m working on developing transmedia intellectual properties that can accommodate all<\/em> genres and demographics — from hard SF for teenagers to rom-coms for Baby Boomers. It\u2019s very ambitious, but absolutely possible.<\/p>\n

What’s the power of transmedia? And what are its perils?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

To be clear: There will always be stories best-told through a single medium. Folks need not worry about their novels or movies going away. But I believe transmedia narratives will crack open storytelling in new ways that we\u2019ll be exploring and experiencing for decades.<\/p>\n

We\u2019re already at a point where storytellers can economically craft narratives in which their characters can receive and send emails and phone messages from real people (aka consumers), post video blog \u201cconfessionals\u201d or handheld location shots, and leave behind \u201cevidence\u201d in real life locations that can be documented and shared online by audience members. What I just mentioned is kindergarten, low-cost stuff … but is widely considered revolutionary by average consumers who are accustomed to passively consuming broadcast-style entertainment.<\/p>\n

The true and disruptive potential of transmedia storytelling is that nearly everything around us — your phone, a billboard, a mailed letter, a t-shirt, a tweet — can be used to contribute to a cohesive narrative. Your<\/em> narrative. That\u2019ll blow your mind if you let it. And you should let it, because storytellers need to be thinking about this stuff.<\/p>\n

The perils are as numerous as its promises. When you start adding additional media or channels to tell your story, you start adding time, effort and risk to the project. You also add expense, which can sharply decrease your number of achievable cross-media \/ cross-channel storytelling opportunities. I reckon this is why the most famous transmedia stories — such as the brilliant Alternate Reality Game Why So Serious? <\/em>— are funded by mainstream entertainment entities as promotional vehicles for films, video games and TV shows. These stories have many moving parts. You gotta cough up cash for those parts, and for mechanics like me to make them go.<\/p>\n

I also fear that transmedia storytelling will be forever linked to these event-like promotions, and won\u2019t be find wider creator and audience acceptance. We\u2019re getting there. There\u2019ve been several downright genius indie transmedia experiences … and mainstream entertainment and video game studios are savvily exploring transmedia\u2019s potential. But I reckon that until we\u2019re on the cover of Newsweek<\/em>, we\u2019ll still be underground Morlocks in the eyes of mainstream consumers.<\/p>\n

Don\u2019t get me wrong, I kinda like being a Morlock. But I also want these stories to break out in wildly successful ways.<\/p>\n

Favorite word? And then, the follow up: Favorite curse word?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Cheerful. Cocksucker.<\/p>\n

Favorite alcoholic beverage? (If cocktail: provide recipe. If you don\u2019t drink alcohol, fine, fine, a non-alcoholic beverage will do.)<\/strong><\/h3>\n

I\u2019m not much of a boozer, but I consume astounding quantities of Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi. Oh Diet Wild Cherry Pepsi, I\u2019d do anything for you.<\/p>\n

Recommend a book, comic book, film, or game: something with great story. Go!<\/strong><\/h3>\n

I won\u2019t be recommending anything you or your brilliant peeps haven\u2019t already consumed, but sometimes it\u2019s nice to revisit a story to study the thing, and marvel at its execution. When I think about great taletelling, my mind zips immediately to:<\/p>\n

Books:<\/strong> Scalzi\u2019s Old Man\u2019s War<\/em> … King\u2019s The Stand<\/em>, Pet Sematary<\/em> and Bag of Bones <\/em>… Deaver\u2019s The Coffin Dancer<\/em> … Vinge\u2019s A Deepness In the Sky<\/em> … Melzer\u2019s The First Daughter<\/em>. All masterpieces, on their own terms.<\/p>\n

Comics:<\/strong> Thompson\u2019s Blankets<\/em> … much of Morrison\u2019s run on JLA<\/em> … Waid\u2019s run on The Flash <\/em>… Johns\u2019 early-to-mid Flash<\/em> stuff … Gaiman\u2019s Sandman<\/em> … Ennis\u2019 Preacher<\/em> … Woods\u2019 DMZ<\/em> … and nearly everything Ellis writes.<\/p>\n

Movies:<\/strong> Back to the Future, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Robocop, Aliens, Star Wars.<\/em> Everything I learned about writing airtight plots, high-stakes conflicts and memorable characters came from studying these flicks.<\/p>\n

Games:<\/strong> I loved the nontraditional, but very moving, storytelling in Ico<\/em> and Portal<\/em>, and how game company Valve brilliantly incorporated a more traditional narrative into Portal 2<\/em>.<\/p>\n

I\u2019ve enjoyed the Mass Effect <\/em>series\u2019 branching narrative and superbly realized storyworld. L.A. Noire\u2019s<\/em> nuanced gameplay, and how that affects the unfolding story, is awfully cool.<\/p>\n

Whenever I want inspiration for a great piss-and-vinegar, kill-em-all-deader-than-dead revenge story, I play some God of War III<\/em>. I get to be a god slayer. How badass is that?<\/p>\n

I’ve watched you recently get into video games (Uncharted, God of War, Portal 2<\/em>). What’s the trick to good storytelling in games?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Earlier this year, I bought a PlayStation 3 to replace an unreliable shitheap Samsung Blu-Ray player. On a lark, I fired up the complimentary game that came with the console — Killzone 3<\/em> — and within minutes, was literally getting weepy. I was absolutely humbled by the spectacle, and the quality of writing, music, sound effects and visuals.<\/p>\n

I sucked at the game — it had been 10 years since I\u2019d gamed — but I immediately saw video games as the legitimate storytelling frontier it in fact is. I made a decision right there, within 10 minutes of firing up that PS3, to do whatever I needed to do so\u2019s I could write video games someday.<\/p>\n

That means gaming my ass off, which is what I\u2019ve been doing ever since.<\/p>\n

Games are a unique breed of storytelling. But they\u2019re still stories, so many of the \u201cmust-haves\u201d in other media must be represented in games: interesting characters and conflicts, larger machinations that are revealed over the course of the narrative, a theme and emotional anchor driving the story, foreshadowing and payoff … that stuff.<\/p>\n

The popular theory seems to be that video game players are there to play<\/em>, not watch a movie. Savvy developers are catering to this. Games like Gears of War 3 <\/em>have nailed a successful formula — brief cutscenes, with exposition delivered through gameplay dialogue. (As opposed to all exposition being delivered via cutscenes.) I read somewhere that the longest cutscene in Gears of War 3<\/em> was 40-odd seconds. The rest of the narrative was smartly delivered as the player explored the world.<\/p>\n

Personally, I love cutscenes. I don\u2019t mind relinquishing control of the experience so long as my recent hard-fought victory (against a level boss, for instance) is rewarded with an appropriately cool plot twist or an emotionally resonant character arc.<\/p>\n

To me, that\u2019s what games are: fun problem-solving experiences. The best game narratives understand that effort \/ reward dynamic, and effectively amp up your investment of effort as the game progresses … and rewards that effort with an equally amped-up story and stakes. I like my video game narratives to be jaw-dropping epics — but it\u2019s the emotional growth of the character (and needing to know what happens next) that keeps me coming back.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s just like any other well-told story.<\/p>\n

What skills do you bring to help the humans win the inevitable zombie war?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

My horrified screams of mercy — and then my howls of suffering as the undead shred open my stomach and feast on my intestines (and I\u2019ll still be conscious through the whole thing, watching them feast, silently marveling, \u201cHow did all of that fit inside my body, oh my god, sausage, it looks like long ropes of sausage\u201d<\/em>) — will undoubtedly inspire others to learn how to properly load a firearm.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ve committed crimes against humanity. They caught you. You get one last meal.
\n<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Angelina Jolie.<\/p>\n

What\u2019s next for you as a storyteller? What does the future hold?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

I\u2019m collaborating with marketing agency Campfire on a few groundbreaking marketing campaigns. One is for a TV miniseries based on a bestselling horror novel; the other is for a multi-console video game. These are a lot of fun because I get to help expand the storyworlds of those universes and use my writing and research skills in many different ways. One of those campaigns will go live later this year.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m also the lead writer on a new tabletop miniatures game currently in development. That\u2019s a ton of fun because I get to do some serious worldbuilding. I\u2019ve also got an ownership stake in that game, so I\u2019m personally invested in its success — which always helps bring focus and one\u2019s best work to a project. That\u2019ll be out next year.<\/p>\n

I\u2019m also on the prowl for video game writing opportunities. I\u2019ll continue to pursue that in earnest in 2012.<\/p>\n

As for my personal work, I\u2019ll release two novels, a short story anthology and probably a novella into several ebook marketplaces by year\u2019s end. There\u2019s also a mile-long list of stories and screenplays to write. It\u2019s never a dull moment around here. Inside my noggin, I mean.<\/p>\n

Got any writing or storytelling advice for folks?<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Humans are capable of making all kinds of cool stuff, but we can\u2019t make more time. Tick-tock, we can\u2019t get it back. Past tense, man. Gone baby, gone — forever.<\/p>\n

How much of that gone-baby-gone time have you spent talking about writing, and not actually writing? How many hours, days, weeks, months, years — sweet Jesus, decades<\/em> — have you spent telling others about all the stories you\u2019ll someday write? That novel. That comic book. That screenplay. Memoir. Whatever.<\/p>\n

You\u2019ll never get that time back. Ever. That\u2019s time you could have spent living your dreams by writing your stories. Your lip-flapping is actively sabotaging<\/em> your chances of achieving your dreams. Shame on you. You\u2019ve talked enough.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s my advice. You\u2019re either a writer or you aren\u2019t. Writers write. So write.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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