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	<title>Comments on: In Defense Of The Present Tense, And Other Happy Accidents</title>
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	<description>Chuck Wendig: Freelance Penmonkey</description>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the anti-present-tense sentiment is like many other &quot;writing rules.&quot; Which is to say, they really ought to be called writing *guidelines*. They usually exist because it tends to be harder to write well if you don&#039;t follow them---but that doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t break them to fantastic effect, or that they don&#039;t have incredibly valuable uses. I think such guidelines are important to take into consideration when writing, and also important to throw out when the need arises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the anti-present-tense sentiment is like many other &#8220;writing rules.&#8221; Which is to say, they really ought to be called writing *guidelines*. They usually exist because it tends to be harder to write well if you don&#8217;t follow them&#8212;but that doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t break them to fantastic effect, or that they don&#8217;t have incredibly valuable uses. I think such guidelines are important to take into consideration when writing, and also important to throw out when the need arises.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Thayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck, thanks for writing this. Working in the present tense through a book length ms. is kind of fun. Otherwise I cannot explain my behavior although I didn&#039;t think of it as a gimmick so much as a way to tell the story, which, oddly enough, contains a lot of introspection without stopping the character in his tracks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, thanks for writing this. Working in the present tense through a book length ms. is kind of fun. Otherwise I cannot explain my behavior although I didn&#8217;t think of it as a gimmick so much as a way to tell the story, which, oddly enough, contains a lot of introspection without stopping the character in his tracks.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First person present tense is my absolute favourite way to write. I blame that mostly on MMO-based roleplaying, because I was all about the third person past tense before that. However, I disagree with you saying it&#039;s not really designed for introspection; that&#039;s exactly what I use it for.

For me, it&#039;s hard to show something in third person. It always ends up coming off more as telling. In first person past tense it&#039;s almost the same, just with the hes and shes replaced with Is. When I write in first person present tense, though, it comes off less as someone telling the story and more of being inside the character&#039;s head. It&#039;s hard to explain (or at least, I suck at explaining it), but I actually think a less connected perspective is better for action-oriented stories, whereas introspection benefits from a personal, in-the-moment view of things. I can relate more to that sort of view since I&#039;m not an omniscient ball that views everything five minutes after it happens. (Not to say there&#039;s anything wrong with people who are.)

That said, I think your take on it is very interesting. I agree that it puts you alongside the characters, I just disagree on the outcome -- but it all depends on how you write and what you&#039;re writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First person present tense is my absolute favourite way to write. I blame that mostly on MMO-based roleplaying, because I was all about the third person past tense before that. However, I disagree with you saying it&#8217;s not really designed for introspection; that&#8217;s exactly what I use it for.</p>
<p>For me, it&#8217;s hard to show something in third person. It always ends up coming off more as telling. In first person past tense it&#8217;s almost the same, just with the hes and shes replaced with Is. When I write in first person present tense, though, it comes off less as someone telling the story and more of being inside the character&#8217;s head. It&#8217;s hard to explain (or at least, I suck at explaining it), but I actually think a less connected perspective is better for action-oriented stories, whereas introspection benefits from a personal, in-the-moment view of things. I can relate more to that sort of view since I&#8217;m not an omniscient ball that views everything five minutes after it happens. (Not to say there&#8217;s anything wrong with people who are.)</p>
<p>That said, I think your take on it is very interesting. I agree that it puts you alongside the characters, I just disagree on the outcome &#8212; but it all depends on how you write and what you&#8217;re writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(For the record, this post is more about present tense than first person -- both are interesting choices, but I think &quot;present tense&quot; comes with more inherent risk than first-person. Of course, doing both can be pretty cool. You want to be really balls-out, go &quot;second person present tense.&quot; I mean, wow.)

Ultimately, present tense relies on the writer to write a kickin&#039; book.

On the one hand, this is like with any choice made -- I don&#039;t like fantasy so much, but a good fantasy novel is a good novel, regardless of my opinions of the genre.

Present tense can be like that (you may not like it, but if it&#039;s done well, ala Charlie Huston, then good is good).

Unfortunately, with something like fantasy, you&#039;ll get people who buy it Just Because it&#039;s in that genre. Doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s good or not. 

Present tense doesn&#039;t have adoring fans. At least, I don&#039;t think.

I&#039;d love to see a secret cult of present tense proselytes. 

They are always Doing.

They are never Recollecting.

All right. Soup calls.

-- c.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(For the record, this post is more about present tense than first person &#8212; both are interesting choices, but I think &#8220;present tense&#8221; comes with more inherent risk than first-person. Of course, doing both can be pretty cool. You want to be really balls-out, go &#8220;second person present tense.&#8221; I mean, wow.)</p>
<p>Ultimately, present tense relies on the writer to write a kickin&#8217; book.</p>
<p>On the one hand, this is like with any choice made &#8212; I don&#8217;t like fantasy so much, but a good fantasy novel is a good novel, regardless of my opinions of the genre.</p>
<p>Present tense can be like that (you may not like it, but if it&#8217;s done well, ala Charlie Huston, then good is good).</p>
<p>Unfortunately, with something like fantasy, you&#8217;ll get people who buy it Just Because it&#8217;s in that genre. Doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s good or not. </p>
<p>Present tense doesn&#8217;t have adoring fans. At least, I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see a secret cult of present tense proselytes. </p>
<p>They are always Doing.</p>
<p>They are never Recollecting.</p>
<p>All right. Soup calls.</p>
<p>&#8211; c.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree, some things just scream for 1st person.  Had it happen to me in a short story or two that just weren&#039;t working until I switched.  

Biggest obstacle for writers is that it&#039;s hard to do.  When done well awesome, when not done well...eek~! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree, some things just scream for 1st person.  Had it happen to me in a short story or two that just weren&#8217;t working until I switched.  </p>
<p>Biggest obstacle for writers is that it&#8217;s hard to do.  When done well awesome, when not done well&#8230;eek~! <img src='http://terribleminds.com/ramble/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people do it well, some don&#039;t. Palahniuk is a great example. But I think then you get sold as a formula writer. Not that I think there&#039;s anything wrong with that.

My problem seems to be that I can&#039;t wrap my head around how it&#039;s all in the present, since I don&#039;t read at the exact same chronological pace the narrative is happening in. Three-hundred pages of &quot;now,&quot; doesn&#039;t work for me. First-person gets me good in short fiction though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people do it well, some don&#8217;t. Palahniuk is a great example. But I think then you get sold as a formula writer. Not that I think there&#8217;s anything wrong with that.</p>
<p>My problem seems to be that I can&#8217;t wrap my head around how it&#8217;s all in the present, since I don&#8217;t read at the exact same chronological pace the narrative is happening in. Three-hundred pages of &#8220;now,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work for me. First-person gets me good in short fiction though.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddy Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddy Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and me need to stop this agreeing thing. This is exactly why I wrote &lt;i&gt;Whitechapel&lt;/i&gt; in the present tense -- to give it that sense of immediacy and mystery. If it happened to you, you can predict certain things (like the narrator surviving). If it&#039;s in the present, though, anything&#039;s game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and me need to stop this agreeing thing. This is exactly why I wrote <i>Whitechapel</i> in the present tense &#8212; to give it that sense of immediacy and mystery. If it happened to you, you can predict certain things (like the narrator surviving). If it&#8217;s in the present, though, anything&#8217;s game.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something similar happened to me with the novel I&#039;ve spent over a decade developing.  It&#039;s hit full manuscript-in-search-of-representation a few times, but the most recent change reminds me of your struggle.

First came the gender change.  In junior high the protagonist had been male.  This had the problems of me being too close to him.  So, switch his Y chromosome to X and hey presto, distance and character depth.  The story went in a different direction and was an overall good change.  I&#039;d kept it in first person perspective, however, and interspersed it with breaks to a third person omniscient perspective which didn&#039;t work.

I didn&#039;t know it didn&#039;t work at the time.  It was only after another failed attempt to get much attention for the work that I was told that the third person bits broke the flow too much.  That, along with inspiration for something to make the work a little less pedestrian and more speculative, helped the novel move into it&#039;s current form, which while still a work in progress, feels much more like the kind of thing people will want to pick up and read.

At least, I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something similar happened to me with the novel I&#8217;ve spent over a decade developing.  It&#8217;s hit full manuscript-in-search-of-representation a few times, but the most recent change reminds me of your struggle.</p>
<p>First came the gender change.  In junior high the protagonist had been male.  This had the problems of me being too close to him.  So, switch his Y chromosome to X and hey presto, distance and character depth.  The story went in a different direction and was an overall good change.  I&#8217;d kept it in first person perspective, however, and interspersed it with breaks to a third person omniscient perspective which didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know it didn&#8217;t work at the time.  It was only after another failed attempt to get much attention for the work that I was told that the third person bits broke the flow too much.  That, along with inspiration for something to make the work a little less pedestrian and more speculative, helped the novel move into it&#8217;s current form, which while still a work in progress, feels much more like the kind of thing people will want to pick up and read.</p>
<p>At least, I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Scionic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scionic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been noticing more works are being done in present.  From what I&#039;ve read about the history of writing (alright, it&#039;s one book by Orson Scott Card; sue me) tense and style change, evolve, and rescind over time.  It&#039;s possible present tense is making a strong comeback, along with disco and apothecaries.  

That being said, it is still not my cup of tea.  I still prefer my third person past limited, and I find it really difficult to write in anything else.  I can enjoy present tense if the subject matter is compelling, but it has to fit with the feel and I will say I am looking forward to seeing what you did with it.

With all that said, some tenses just don&#039;t work.  My wife is convinced she can write an entire work in second person - she did this with a character history once and ever since has been infatuated with the style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been noticing more works are being done in present.  From what I&#8217;ve read about the history of writing (alright, it&#8217;s one book by Orson Scott Card; sue me) tense and style change, evolve, and rescind over time.  It&#8217;s possible present tense is making a strong comeback, along with disco and apothecaries.  </p>
<p>That being said, it is still not my cup of tea.  I still prefer my third person past limited, and I find it really difficult to write in anything else.  I can enjoy present tense if the subject matter is compelling, but it has to fit with the feel and I will say I am looking forward to seeing what you did with it.</p>
<p>With all that said, some tenses just don&#8217;t work.  My wife is convinced she can write an entire work in second person &#8211; she did this with a character history once and ever since has been infatuated with the style.</p>
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